Originally Posted By Fluppydogs << don't blame WDI's lack of creativity or even being able to come up with a decent idea on the competition>> What competition?...isn't the Magic Kingdom the most visited theme park in the world. I beleive it has about 10 million more visitors than Universal. In fact Universal doesn't even make the top 10. All Disney theme parks have more attendance. Disney must be doing something right. As far as lack of creativity... are not Everest and Kim Possible award winners for their creativity. Any one can build a coaster but when it comes to inmersive attractions Disney is and always will be the leader. IMO
Originally Posted By dshyates I would give KP more credit if it wasn't a rip off of MagiQuest, which a version of is going into TWWoHP. I played MagiQuest 3 years before I ever heard about KP. And hed even heard about the HP version long before the KP version was even rumored. Diney is now one of the biggest copiers in the industry,
Originally Posted By MPierce >> As far as lack of creativity... are not Everest and Kim Possible award winners for their creativity. Any one can build a coaster but when it comes to inmersive attractions Disney is and always will be the leader. IMO << Wouldn't it be nice if that award winning Everest was properly maintained, and everything worked. >> What competition?...isn't the Magic Kingdom the most visited theme park in the world. I beleive it has about 10 million more visitors than Universal. In fact Universal doesn't even make the top 10. All Disney theme parks have more attendance. Disney must be doing something right. << It seems to me they are relying on that to see them through. Who needs new innovations that dazzle? Who needs Industry setting standards of quality. We are the big money makers. Just like General Motors said " screw those little Japanese car company's who's worried about them. We're the top dog on this block.
Originally Posted By -em >>Just like General Motors said " screw those little Japanese car company's who's worried about them. We're the top dog on this block.<< and the nail has been hit on the head...
Originally Posted By MPierce The Japanese car company's actually learned from a former head of GM. They listened to what people wanted. They gave folks a quality product at a reasonable coast. Now they solely rely on their quality as their cost are comparable to American manufaturer's. Gm, and the rest of the big 4 back then decided to rely on past practices, rather than being innovative. I wonder if Uni, and the others are learning from the Japanese.
Originally Posted By dshyates I think Uni has decided they do things just fine, and are now doing their own thing. Sure they keep an eye on what Disney is doing, but they are just doing what they want, how they want to. Last time I spent 4 days there and there is a certain confidence that doesn't cross into arrogance. And I think they are aware that Disney HAS noticed them. Quite a compliment.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<What competition?...isn't the Magic Kingdom the most visited theme park in the world. I beleive it has about 10 million more visitors than Universal. In fact Universal doesn't even make the top 10. All Disney theme parks have more attendance. Disney must be doing something right. >> Marketing magic. Living off the reputation of greatness and the Disney Legacy. And popularity doesn't mean something is good (many things are popular from Britney Spears to Taco Bell, from American autos to WalMart etc ...), it just means people are buying it. The MK isn't half the park it was 15-20 years ago. Doesn't matter what the numbers say. Reality doesn't change.
Originally Posted By leemac <<I would give KP more credit if it wasn't a rip off of MagiQuest, which a version of is going into TWWoHP. I played MagiQuest 3 years before I ever heard about KP.>> MagiQuest launched in the summer of '05 (something like June). KP was sneaked into Epcot in September '06 and was in development before MagiQuest launched. As far as I was aware (and I've deliberately never played MagiQuest) their technology is simply infrared in the wands and RFID in the orbs (I think that is the term). They do not use GSM technology to pinpoint your location and trigger independent props which is far more sophisicated. Kim Possible World Showcase Adventure is an entirely WDI-designed and executed product - it was developed in-house. I finally got to try out some of the new games this week and found it to be a fantastic attraction. It is entirely in the spirit of Kim Possible and works on many different levels. Germany is the stand-out country but both Japan and the UK are equally entertaining. I can't see why guests wouldn't enjoy this form of "live theater".
Originally Posted By vbdad55 < I wonder if Uni, and the others are learning from the Japanese< you're missing a very key point in the auto wars that Uni has not done. Toyota/Honda before - Hyundai now etc - theway they got their market was to take a loss on certain vehicles to gain a market- then raise prices later after they hadwon over customers --- Nissan did it with the 240z -- toyota andhondadid it- Lexus did it in theluxury segment andHyundai is copying that with the Genesis now. Uniis not giving a darn thing away - admission prices between all major parks in Orlando comparable I remember reading how IOA was going to put Disney out of biz also- especially for certain demo's -- didn't happen
Originally Posted By dshyates " and trigger independent props which is far more sophisicated." You admittedly have not played Magiquest. Why have you avoided it? Because you don't want to taint your perception that this is Disney's idea? Your response seems that I have hit a nerve. Sorry, but every effect is an individual prop. And every one plays into the larger game. But you keep believing that Disney is the greatest. That is what you get paid for. But none the less I played MagiQuest at two different locations 3 years before KP hit the scene. It is a rip off. You admit that MagiQuest hit the market a full year before the Disney Product. Sorry that you guys are behind the market. You should be better at ripping off stuff. "Uniis not giving a darn thing away - admission prices between all major parks in Orlando comparable" Disney- 7 day parkhopper: $328 Universal- 7 day parkhopper: $99 I will take that comparison.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< Disney- 7 day parkhopper: $328 Universal- 7 day parkhopper: $99 I will take that comparison. >>> I was just going to post the same thing. The single-day, single-park ticket price may be comparable, but the real truth is in the multi-day and AP prices. Most people don't visit Florida parks for one day a year. Keeping the single-day prices the same maintains the illusion that the value is the same, yet still allowing discounting on the back end (gee, where have we seen that from Disney?).
Originally Posted By leemac <<But none the less I played MagiQuest at two different locations 3 years before KP hit the scene.>> Check your dates - unless you saw MagiQuest in previews then you couldn't have seen it 3 years before the KP previews in '06. <<Why have you avoided it? Because you don't want to taint your perception that this is Disney's idea? Your response seems that I have hit a nerve. >> Not at all. I don't need to see what the competition is doing. It isn't important to me or what I do. There are so few MQ locations (even after approaching 4 years of operations) that I haven't been near one. It is hardly a successful format.
Originally Posted By leemac My point is that saying MQ and KP are the same is like saying that Peter Pan's Flight and Snow White's Adventures are the same - they are both dark rides but the method of conveyance is different. MQ and KP use completely different technologies - just because they superficially look the same (a personalized interactive adventure game) does not make them the same. MQ should have taken the opportunity to overlay existing IPR to their games - HP can't live outside IoA so that one doesn't count.
Originally Posted By dshyates There are 11 MQ locations in America and Japan. When I first played MQ there was 1 in Myrtle Beach. And I have played at 3 different locations. I won't mention that 2 were at the Great Wolf Lodge location as I am sure you think GWL suck, and refuse to visit because it will offend your Disney sensibilities. And I wasn't refering to KP test period which itself was a year after I played MQ but until they actually started it for real just this year. But yes I played MQ about a month after they opened in MB in 2005. And KP started its actual run when? Oh yeah, last month. Now, is the Disney product more technologically advanced. Don't know, and as a consummer, don't care. The question is does all that techno actually make it better/ I have yet to play KP so I can't really address the quality difs, but to me it looks an awful lot like a MQ rip off that is 3 years late to the table.
Originally Posted By plpeters70 <<MQ should have taken the opportunity to overlay existing IPR to their games - HP can't live outside IoA so that one doesn't count.>> Why? Couldn't WDI have come up with a new, original story for the World Showcase Adventure? Why does everything have to tie-in with an existing show or movie? Remember when Disney actually created original characters for their parks? I guess they just don't have that kind of talent at WDI anymore...
Originally Posted By dshyates I have heard that there will be HP suites with triggerable stuff in the rooms and that they are working on a way to use the resort TV system so that you will be able to check your progress through the TV in your room.
Originally Posted By SuperDry I think the KP adventure is going to stand (or fall) on its own merits. I don't think too many guests are going to say "Hey, I read somewhere that this is similar to what they've put in at Great Wolf Lodge, whatever that is."
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Why? Couldn't WDI have come up with a new, original story for the World Showcase Adventure? Why does everything have to tie-in with an existing show or movie? Remember when Disney actually created original characters for their parks? I guess they just don't have that kind of talent at WDI anymore... << I actually think that is a wise strategy as KP was already known. Why waste time trying to introduce someone new when you have a proven commodity? >> I think the KP adventure is going to stand (or fall) on its own merits. I don't think too many guests are going to say "Hey, I read somewhere that this is similar to what they've put in at Great Wolf Lodge, whatever that is." << You're probably right. Normal folks really don't care about the same things we do. Great Wolf Lodge are indoor water parks at different locations across the country.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Universal 2 parks Disney 4 parks and 2 water parks 7 days at Uni - no thanks - in another thread I read about selling 7 days for the price of 4 being more than people need....short of if one is producing an independent film - 7 days @ Uni ?? Really ?
Originally Posted By vbdad55 ^^^^^^^^^^ a 7 day pass for legoland ditto or for the Art museum. Season's Pass for 6 Flag's by me $69 much cheaper also - doesn't mean I want to go there multiple times. We go once a year - it's OK- it is what it is
