Originally Posted By FerretAfros >>Also, if we're being honest, I liked the old white Christmas trees in the moat more than the current castle Christmas decorations. I was working the last year the trees were installed, and one was blown over by heavy winds, as I recall. They did not return.<< I'm not sure if I specifically like the "white" trees that were added to the moat (I just don't like flocked trees in general), I think that it would be great to see the trees return. They were pretty simple, but added a certain elegance that the current batch of LEDs just can't do. I'm pretty sure the foundations for the trees are still sitting in the moat, so I don't think it would be too hard to bring them back. I've heard a rumor that the Matterhorn's star will be returning for the 60th; maybe they can make it a throwback year and include the trees in the moat and the extra-droopy garlands on Main Street
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "And often, not for the better..." Maybe so, but guest safety IS for the better.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: There is a certain amount of responsibility all guests should take for themselves, though. Things are getting ridiculous all over the place because of people who don't exercise common sense anymore. There are many other potential hazards waiting to take place at all the Disney theme parks. Just dancing down Main Street USA is a potential hazard because you can slip and fall. Does that mean they'll start banning all dancing at the parks, too?
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "There is a certain amount of responsibility all guests should take for themselves, though. Things are getting ridiculous all over the place because of people who don't exercise common sense anymore." That's true, but why take the risk and subsequent bad publicity of a child falling in the moat? I agree with your basic point, but if there's a simple way to keep that from happening then do it. These changes are basic common sense.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: I understand your point, too, Doctor. But in this particular instance, I believe they are going too far. The castle got along for many years without being 'idiot proofed' and could continue without being 'idiot proofed'.
Originally Posted By smd4 >>>Maybe so, but guest safety IS for the better.<<< You're making the broad (and rather silly) assumption that a safety issue was present to begin with.
Originally Posted By ophellia wow I knew I'd find something here about this...I haven't seen it yet in person...I can see both sides of this...well they at least it more Castley and pretty....from a former CM perspective they would call this is called 'bad show' and as a CM you'd get called out for it....as in wearing street clothes with your costume while a work, even a shoulder bag on your way out, CM's were stopped, corrected, maybe even written up...this redo of the bridge is a Bad Show <3
Originally Posted By monorailblue I hardly think that the sudden rush to make nonsensical so-called safety "upgrades" is justified by repugnance toward 1950's racial segregation, but I guess shock value works when the only point to be made is "things change."
Originally Posted By FerretAfros >>Just dancing down Main Street USA is a potential hazard because you can slip and fall. Does that mean they'll start banning all dancing at the parks, too?<< That's why they converted Carnation Gardens into the Princess Fantasy Fair, right? ; )
Originally Posted By Dabob2 I think if they'd just restore the shields, it wouldn't be so bad. (And get rid of the wood around the alcoves, of course. I can only assume they're going to get rid of the benches but leave the alcoves "carved out," - reaching all the way to the ground without anything to sit on. As someone pointed out, that could actually make very good nooks to take pictures from.)
Originally Posted By doombuggy "assumption that a safety issue was present to begin with." I've seen parents allow their kids to walk on that wall. With how sue happy people are DL has to now think of every thing cause mindless people don't. They had to add bumps on line rails to stop kids from climbing and people sitting on them. People are over reacting to this whole bridge thing any way the new gates don't look THAT bad.
Originally Posted By DBitz2 <<>>Also, if we're being honest, I liked the old white Christmas trees in the moat more than the current castle Christmas decorations. I was working the last year the trees were installed, and one was blown over by heavy winds, as I recall. They did not return.<< I'm not sure if I specifically like the "white" trees that were added to the moat (I just don't like flocked trees in general), I think that it would be great to see the trees return. They were pretty simple, but added a certain elegance that the current batch of LEDs just can't do. I'm pretty sure the foundations for the trees are still sitting in the moat, so I don't think it would be too hard to bring them back.>> I distinctly remember that after the incident of the Christmas tree blowing over, they later drained the moat and put in better stanchions to more securely hold the trees in place. I even have pictures of them someplace. I'm pretty sure the last time the moat was drained, they were still there. I don't think they ever ended up putting trees in the moat again after those stanchions were put in. I think the main reason they don't put trees in the moat now is because of the pyro in the moat that is part of the holiday fireworks show.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "People are over reacting to this whole bridge thing any way the new gates don't look THAT bad." There is simply no end to what people will gripe about on a Disney board.
Originally Posted By tashajilek "I've seen parents allow their kids to walk on that wall. With how sue happy people are DL has to now think of every thing cause mindless people don't. They had to add bumps on line rails to stop kids from climbing and people sitting on them." I was on Splash Mountain once and a grown man in the log in front of mine was standing the entire ride. We can thank idiots like this for all the safety changes.
Originally Posted By berol "We can thank idiots like this for all the safety changes." You're welcome!
Originally Posted By smd4 >>>There is simply no end to what people will gripe about on a Disney board.<<< Nor is there any end to the people who give Disneyland a pass for any poor execution or destruction of show.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt I'm not giving anyone a pass, at least not on design or aesthetics. I'm simply saying what I always say whenever these topics arise: in the grand scheme of Disneyland this isn't as a big of a deal as some people say it is. As for the motivation for the changes, I commend Disney for being proactive rather than reactive.
