Originally Posted By tashajilek Why does nobody ever seem to include DCA as a improvement? Everyone is so focused on the "original park" and doesn't look at the overall improvements of the entire resort.I think Carsland and Buena vista street are a pretty significant upgrade and I can deal with some railings on the castle.
Originally Posted By oc_dean Considering that is a different ticketed park altogether ... the discussion is on DL itself .. and what is has/or not been lacking in the last couple decades.
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>But not so much that I have to unbunch my panties whenever there's a change. It helps to have a tiny bit of perspective.<< If only that were true .. every time a discussion on the Peoplemover comes up.
Originally Posted By Yookeroo "If only that were true .. every time a discussion on the Peoplemover comes up." ??? You don't usually get "infuriated" about this. Just mostly PM worship (and occasional false hope). I wouldn't say your panties get too bunched over the PM. Perfectly nice black and gold railings on the other hand.
Originally Posted By PeterPan1313 I think that a better solution, aesthetically though more expensive, for the castle/fall issue would have been to completely remove the stone walls, build higher stone walls, but with a pattern like DLP's castle, in order to let some light in, and not have the drawbridge section overlap into the stone section so as to give the appearance of a drawbridge. <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.dlptoday.com/images/2010/04/10_refurb_02.jpg">http://www.dlptoday.com/images...b_02.jpg</a> However, a big part of Disneyland's business is nostalgia, and folks remember sitting in the alcoves and taking their picture, so they kind of kept in place as much of the original architecture as possible. But, yes, it could've been done more artistically, and I don't know why they didn't extend the 'stone' a foot and a half to meet the drawbridge as now it looks like the drawbridge is bolted down with its' new railing.
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>Just mostly PM worship (and occasional false hope). << Proved my point. Reason I don't read a lot of your posts. See'ya!
Originally Posted By smd4 >>>Jolly Holiday Princess Fantasy Faire<<< Most would NOT consider these improvements. >>Matterhorn paint job<< Doesn't alter theme. They would have had to do it anyway. >>>Mickey's Magical Map is better than a meet n greet<<< Can't comment--never seen. >>>Star Tours 2<<< Neither an improvement nor a loss. Doesn't alter theme. >>>The stretch room in Haunted Mansion Holiday<<< HMH overall sucks. Next. >>>In recent years they've improved the lighting effects in Fantasmic<<< Fantgascrap! should be removed completely. >>>The food has been getting better<<< You expect something less? >>>Soundsational is a big step up from its predecessor<<< Can't comment. >>>Big Thunder Mountain<<< OK. Will give you that. >>>Alice in Woderland<<< Silly railings an improvement? Nope. >>>Space Mountain Ghost Galaxy<<< Doesn't add to theme. All the things oc_dean mentioned relate to the removal of theme--which, if we're talking about a "theme park" (debatable at this point) is of utmost importance--far more than "improved lighting in Fantasmic."
Originally Posted By smd4 >>>Care to detail what shortcuts were made?<<< If you compare the design details of the new First Aid buildings to other buildings on Main Street, which include widows walks, corbels, cornices, much more "gingerbread," etc. you will see that they could have been done far better. Just the massively-thick and not period-correct window frames on the upper story are enough to put me off. But then again, I'm one of those people who care about details, notice them, understand them, and know when they're not right. These new buildings share much in common with the buildings at Busch Gardens Williamsburg.
Originally Posted By Yookeroo "Reason I don't read a lot of your posts." LOL "Most would NOT consider these improvements." You speak for most? That's pretty arrogant. You've created a nice little reality bubble for yourself. You can try to hand wave away upgrades all you like, doesn't really make you sound any more reasonable.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 The Jolly Holiday replaced what had been an either shuttered facility or at best a utilitarian AP processing center. It had been a loooooooong time since it had been a dining facility. Cappuccino-making skills notwithstanding, it's hard to see how JH isn't an improvement.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt It's easy Dabob if you're main purpose here is to to peddle a negative viewpoint that everything Disney does in the parks these days is lacking in one way or the other. Expressing an opinion is one thing, but this is just trolling, basically.
Originally Posted By monorailblue I don't count upgraded food in improvements like new or upgraded Attractions, since food prices more than cover any improvement (or, more frequently, no improvement).
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: There's nothing wrong with expressing a different opinion about various topics. What IS wrong is taking things to the next level by insulting those who disagree with you. Implying that something is wrong with someone for having the opinion they have, THAT is what is wrong. ORWEN: Yes and that's when topics get derailed and ugly.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt I agree, but sometimes I get the impression that some people aren't sincere and are just being contrary to stir the pot.
Originally Posted By Socrates Stirring the cauldron, then? Socrates "The unexamined life is not worth living."
Originally Posted By monorailblue I wouldn't like food downgrades (since there would be no price downgrade), but they happen all the time anyway. Every offering gets pared down over time so they can put off increasing prices but still increase profits (or decrease costs / maximize profits). All I'm saying is when I think of resort upgrades and improvements, I think a rebuilt restaurant is one, but a better menu really is not in the same way because the food cost is raised in a manner that more than makes up for any upgraded food. Better to have better options? Certainly. Something they could run an ad campaign on? No.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt It could be argued that DL's menus and food quality is much improved since the place opened, and I think it is an important distinctions from other theme parks. "Something they could run an ad campaign on? No." You don't run an ad campaign on every ride or restaurant upgrade or physical change either. The upgraded first aid facility is a case in point. It still counts as an upgrade though.
Originally Posted By PeterPan1313 >>>If you compare the design details of the new First Aid buildings to other buildings on Main Street, which include widows walks, corbels, cornices, much more "gingerbread," etc. you will see that they could have been done far better. Just the massively-thick and not period-correct window frames on the upper story are enough to put me off.<<< My first impression was that the new First Aid station had an almost "Frontiersy" look to it with darker colors, and the thick window frames. The unpainted fiber-glass reinforced cement cornices also don't match with the rest of Main Street. For the average guest it won't matter, and the dark tones means that few guests will even notice this area of the park when walking down Main Street.
