Originally Posted By cheesybaby ^^Back in January 2001, wasn't there discussion board chatter about a new/original walk-around character for DCA? Or was this just referring to D'Vine or 3 Bags Full?
Originally Posted By danyoung >But if they can't write a script for the California movie, WHY would they suddenly be able to write "a much richer script" for the AA extravaganza?< FIrst of all, I don't agree with your assertion that the script for the movie is bad - I think it was terrific. But let's say for argument's sake that it wasn't so hot. Now, you have a movie that they spent, what, maybe $5 mil to produce? (I have no idea what the actual budget was.) Now you come in with an AA show for $100 mil. Seems to me that there would be much more budgeted for script, show development, whatever. As I said, just cuz it's an AA show doesn't guarantee that it's going to be a success. But when you put out that much money, logic would indicate that more time and effort are going to be put into making sure that they have a good show.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip I also think the script for 'Golden Dreams' is excellent. Unfortunately Whoopie was stupid enough to create a bunch of hysterical conservatives with her stupid bush jokes, and now a good percentage of the population will hate the attraction no matter how good it might be.
Originally Posted By cheesybaby <<FIrst of all, I don't agree with your assertion that the script for the movie is bad - I think it was terrific.>> I have said above that I enjoy the show as well. However, I have to admit that we are in the minority here and the show is not exactly popular. I hope the rumored relocation to the entry improves its traffic. <<Now, you have a movie that they spent, what, maybe $5 mil to produce? (I have no idea what the actual budget was.) Now you come in with an AA show for $100 mil.>> What corporation says, "well, that $5 mil we spent on that idea went down the toilet. I know, let's throw another $100 million at it!" It is much more likely they are clapping themselves on the back saying "Guests think Golden Dreams is boring. Thank GOODNESS we only lost $5 mil on that instead of $100 mil like the original plan! Whew, we sure dodged a bullet there!!"
Originally Posted By trekkeruss I am sure they don't think that at all. It's more along the lines of "Why did guests find it so boring?" and "We better not make that same mistake again."
Originally Posted By cheesybaby Re: post 65 I hope you are correct, but I am skeptical. To be clear, I believe the corporate-speak in post 64 is sad and I do not agree with that kind of thinking, I'm just saying that realistically TDA probably believes that they tried the Epcot-style movie attraction at DCA, it didn't work, and they should just dump that idea for DCA and move on.
Originally Posted By disneywatcher >> "Guests think Golden Dreams is boring. Thank GOODNESS we only lost $5 mil on that instead of $100 mil like the original plan! Whew, we sure dodged a bullet there!!" << Golden Dreams is one of those instances where I think such a response is understandable. However, I wouldn't want DisCo bigwigs to therefore conclude that being tight with money is the lesson. I'd want them to conclude the lesson is that a concept like Golden Dreams -- or something better suited for the exhibit booth of the California Tourists and Trade Association -- didn't deserve support to begin with.
Originally Posted By danyoung >What corporation says, "well, that $5 mil we spent on that idea went down the toilet. I know, let's throw another $100 million at it!" It is much more likely they are clapping themselves on the back saying "...Thank GOODNESS we only lost $5 mil on that instead of $100 mil like the original plan! Whew, we sure dodged a bullet there!!"< I don't disagree with this. But I just want to point out that I was never advocating turning the movie into a big AA show. This was just an intellectual exercise comparing the two different formats.
Originally Posted By deadmentellnotales I think the golden dreams show is interesting, yet once you connect with a character you move onto another, I loved the story of the Japanese woman and would have loved to see more of her story in particular, also I think that the movie is simple that recreations of what might have happened, with no real characters to follow. So while the show is interesting there's nothing to draw crowds back to it. Then you have to factor in the weak signage that directs people to the theater and the poorly designed layout for people to find attractions and it's little wonder it's a failure, now back to the real thread topic what dou you think is in the cards for the future of DCA?
Originally Posted By Disney Joy I have seen Golden Dreams once since it opened and that was enough for me. And Circle Vison - I couldn't make it thru the entire one of those. DCA is ok with TOT - Soarin and Grizzy if its not too cold. I am looking forward to the new spruce remodeling although I like the bridge the bathrooms don't bother me - but it is strange at the front - now that I think about it. Tough to be a bug is ok - but after awhile - hey I loved Block Party Bash - with less crowds it is nice when you find something you like in DCA. And ALADDIN - one of my favorites. Electric Parade - what can you say I love that one. Well after I have done all that for a few hours - its back to DL
Originally Posted By mstaft Whoopi has been past her prime for years. Therefore, she was a poor choice for the role. Could be had for cheap- another DCA blunder. Hopefully the future of DCA is brighter.
Originally Posted By deadmentellnotales Hey why don't they kill two bird with one stone and just have a live animatronic muppet show with the history of california, this way you get the muppet show and the Golden dreams show all in one and leave space for another attraction?
Originally Posted By Park Hopper >>It (Golden Dreams) does not get the audience it deserves because the entire Bay area of the park is poorly done and therefore does not generate traffic for the attraction. For the most part there is little reason to be in the Bay area of DCA.<< It's right on the main route from Grizly Peak to Paradise Pier. A lot of traffic goes through there.
Originally Posted By Park Hopper >>Is that why Lincoln doesnt do that well at Disneyland? too much of a "history lesson" right?<< That and the fact that a single AA figure on a stage does not have the impact it had in 1964.
Originally Posted By Park Hopper >>But 'American Adventure' in World Showcase does just that -- and clocks in longer than 20 minutes. And 'American Adventure' is one of the most amazing shows I've ever seen in a theme park.<< Come on Jim you know that American Adventure is considerably more than a movie. The two presentations have the same spirit but the spectacle is definitely missing from Golden Dreams.
Originally Posted By disneywatcher Whether a more elaborate Golden Dreams would be a bigger crowd pleaser or not, after seeing this description of the Wonders of Life pavilion at jam-packed Epcot on New Year's Eve, I can never be too confident in predicting the success or failure of something: <a href="http://miceage.com/kevinyee/ky010306b.htm" target="_blank">http://miceage.com/kevinyee/ky 010306b.htm</a> <a href="http://miceage.com/kevinyee/ky010306c.htm" target="_blank">http://miceage.com/kevinyee/ky 010306c.htm</a> I find the tremendous split in public reaction towards one part of that Disney park and another astonishing. >>>>> Notice the lack of crowds? These photos were taken on December 31st, while uncontrollable mobs ran up the line for Spaceship Earth to sixty minutes.....Why the disparity? Probably some of it comes from the crowds simply not knowing that Wonders of Life was open. But that probably isn't the bulk of the reason. Enormous hordes of people like this will find any crevice they can to escape the crowds, and ride attractions with little wait. Yet few people were doing so. I'm forced to assume they didn't really believe these attractions were worthwhile. <<<<< I don't know how much of this is or isn't applicable to DCA, both in terms of the attractions within it (such as Golden Dreams), and its relationship to Disneyland next door. But it is amazing when people vote so clearly and noticeably with their feet.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss I don't know what time those photos were taken, but I went to EPCOT for NYE one year, and I could have taken pictures like that also... after 1:00am, the park thinned out a lot, and walking into quiet pavilions and onto deserted attractions was easy. Keep in mind also that WoL has been closed; an un-announced reopening isn't going to automatically bring in a crowd, especially since that pavilion isn't exactly on the beaten path... it's rather hidden between UoE and Mission:Space.
Originally Posted By theones << Lib's may want to go to Disney to get "I hate America stuff" but most Americans get that on CNN or CBS or ABC or NBC or The New York Times every day.>> so so true I could not have said it better my self!
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<so so true I could not have said it better my self!>> And you did. You are quoting yourself from post #28. Idiot.
Originally Posted By seanyoda trekkeruss wrote: << I don't know what time those photos were taken>> Well, from the photos themselves we can tell that they were taken during the daytime hours. Still in his article, Kevin Yee wrote: << these photos were taken a few minutes before the ones showing the wait times around Epcot >> The wait time photos are here: <a href="http://miceage.com/kevinyee/ky010306a.htm" target="_blank">http://miceage.com/kevinyee/ky 010306a.htm</a>
