Originally Posted By leobloom >> Name one thing that you heard Glenn Beck say that was a lie. Believe me when I say I will investigate it, send e-mails out about it, and write letters of inquirty. << I believe recently he claimed that Charles Darwin was the father of modern day racism. You've got google, you can look for his other outrageous statements.
Originally Posted By MPierce Just incase anyone here cares to label me as a bigot or a racist let me tell you something else about me. I have a nephew who is attending the Houston Police Academy right now. He was just discharged from the Marine Corps after serving a tour in Iraq, and Afghanistan. I have a lovely niece who is also in the Traing Academy for the Broward Country Sheriffs Department. While she was in traing last year she was called up by the Army Reserve for a 1 year tour of duty in Iraq so she had to put her life on hold for a little while. I love those 2 kids like they were my own. Did I mention they speak fluent Spanish. Did I mention they are half Cuban, and grew up in the Miami area.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> However she does have principles, and values that are lacking in both political parties at this time. << Hysterical, Pierce. She has principles? Like when she said Rahm Emanuel should resign for using the word "retarded" but then defended Rush Limbaugh's use of the word as "satire." Yeah, sounds like she has some rock-solid principles.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> This country tries very hard to right those injustices. You are free to achieve or fail at what ever you chose to be or do here in the States. That is why so many immigrants come here to begin with. Go to a swearing in ceremony sometime, and ask them. << Right, this country tries to right injustices as long as its financially profitable to do so. Our financial and political leaders (one and the same) refuse to do business with the Middle East and China because of their human rights issues, right?
Originally Posted By MPierce >> I believe recently he claimed that Charles Darwin was the father of modern day racism. You've got google, you can look for his other outrageous statements. << I don't have time to respond properly as I have been called away for the evening. The Darwin statement is easy to explain. How is that a lie about our Founding Fathers or anything to do with this Country. There are millions of people that disagree with Darwin. What does that have to do with this discussion. It's evident that he thinks that anybody that thinks we evolved from monkeys has some kind of racial implacations. I don't want snippets from a program. I want the context of what was being said. You know as well as anyone Leo that parts od speeches are manipulted on the internet all the time. So I need the contexst of the whole message. I'll be back tomorrow.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>>Then that means you should have a problem with the vast majority of PEOPLE living in the US, not just immigrants.<<< I really, honestly, do. Isn't that sad?
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer And to add to that last post, I never said I had a problem with immigrants....that gives me the connotation of a racist, or a bigot, and I am not that in the slightest. I do however, like you said, have a problem, and thus, a LOT of people in the USA. That feels good to get off my chest!
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Good for you EE. That is the myth that some amoung us would try to have you believe. <<< Thanks, Pierce. The idea does have it's merits, of course, when you look at the world in certain ways, especially in the idea of economics and trade, but ultimately, we are here, and they are there. Nothing terrible with that... As it isn't always conducive to violence.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>>> If I want to here 7 languages spoken I'll go visit the World Showcase. << Or the UN! I've been there once...when I was very young. Would love to go now to be able to really appreciate it.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Oh, for starters, the American Exceptionalism myth, the "liberty and justice for all" myth, etc etc.<<< I would not call it a myth... It certainly has existed in our history and in our laws. Has it existed for all in that time? Of course not. We've thankfully corrected that problem... But that doesn't make it a myth.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>No question most of the Cuban population in Miami wouldn't leave even if they could return to Cuba. But in the 1960s, I think it was certainly considered a possibility. Bay of Pigs, right?<<< Of course. >>>Yes I know that, and you know that. That does not matter. You will still be labeled a bigot, and a racist. That is how the people that have a different opinion than you do work.<<< Well, I have voiced these opinions...and I still have quite a diverse group of friends...though...I have gotten some odd looks, like I imagine Leo is giving me...and I am a member of the Democratic Party...so....wait, what? Heh. ;-) >>>The Cubans aren't leaving Florida. Even if communist rule in Cuba suddenly became democratic.<<< And I wouldn't want them too! I would want them to keep on what they are doing, and I would want them to finally realize they are home. That's all, really. That's the respect I am looking for, I found it up north. People have pride in THIS country, and are proud and happy to be here.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>>This country tries very hard to right those injustices. You are free to achieve or fail at what ever you chose to be or do here in the States<<< NOW we do. 100-150 years ago, we could not have been bothered.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>I have a lovely niece who is also in the Traing Academy for the Broward Country Sheriffs Department<<< Broward as in my Broward? If you ever come to visit... Doom and Gloomers Meeting. This must happen.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Hysterical, Pierce. She has principles? Like when she said Rahm Emanuel should resign for using the word "retarded" but then defended Rush Limbaugh's use of the word as "satire." Yeah, sounds like she has some rock-solid principles.<<< I do have to agree with you here, Leo... I furthermore do not like the way she conducts herself in politics, especially with this whole thing over healthcare. But I'm not getting into that....now...Oy.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Right, this country tries to right injustices as long as its financially profitable to do so. Our financial and political leaders (one and the same) refuse to do business with the Middle East and China because of their human rights issues, right?<<< Playing both sides here (Well, not really...just so happens that my side is a mix of you two) but I have to agree. We have a long way to go before all that we exude comes true. I feel that we are on the way to that, especially if we distance ourselves through technology from Forign Oil. Universe of Energy, anyone?
Originally Posted By leobloom >> I would not call it a myth... It certainly has existed in our history and in our laws. << Not sure if by "it" you mean Am Exceptionalism, or "liberty and justice for all." At any rate, myths can be historical! But that doesn't make them fully accurate.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> I don't have time to respond properly as I have been called away for the evening. The Darwin statement is easy to explain. How is that a lie about our Founding Fathers or anything to do with this Country. << It's evidence that Beck makes outrageous statements that have little historical basis. How is Darwin any more a racist than most white British subjects of certain means in the nineteenth-century? And assuming for a moment that Darwin was a racist, how does that make him the "father" of modern-day racism? For some reason, I doubt Southern lynch mobs, Dixiecrat politicians, segregationists, etc. were primarily people who subscribed to evolutionary thought >> There are millions of people that disagree with Darwin. What does that have to do with this discussion. It's evident that he thinks that anybody that thinks we evolved from monkeys has some kind of racial implacations. << Really, it's "evident"? Sounds like your grasp of science is lacking. >> I don't want snippets from a program. I want the context of what was being said. You know as well as anyone Leo that parts od speeches are manipulted on the internet all the time. So I need the contexst of the whole message. I'll be back tomorrow. << I'm not going to research it further for your sake. I guess you (or G. Beck) would argue that today's evolutionary biologists are all practicing racism, too?
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>> Not sure if by "it" you mean Am Exceptionalism, or "liberty and justice for all." At any rate, myths can be historical! But that doesn't make them fully accurate.<<< Liberty. I just think the term "Myth" lends itself to the whole notion being an invention...when in fact, it wasn't, the laws at the time just WEREN'T equal. That's not good, of course, but in the end, it was a truth, if just a half truth.
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 My sister has been living in Coral Gables since the early '50s. Big changes. When I moved to this northern Mass town in '64 everyone was either Italian, French Canadian or Irish. Now it's half Hispanic or Asian. A great many into drugs or welfare. But I can't get my husband to leave. My kids couldn't wait to bail.
