Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>You are stepping off the reservation of a great party that I use to be a member of. Anytime you get out of line you must be scolded.<<< I knew I had that coming to me. >>>I believe it's all across this Great Nation. <<< I do too. I saw it in VA and GA when we stopped there on the road. I see it in North Florida, even. I'm sure it exists out in the west, when I finally get there (Been to AZ, but was too young to have thoughts like these..) >>We were a fledgling Nation 100-150 years ago with much to learn. We still are, but we're trying.<<< totally agreed. And there is nothing wrong with that. Also...Love the term "Fledgling Nation". I've used it in my essays several times, much to the dismay of my professors who deemed it "too flowery" for historical dissertations. AKA, I could have been a hell of a English Major.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Yes, your Broward. I definietly would love to attend one of the Doom, and Gloom meetings, and meet up with you, and Lee, and the Great Turtle Savior of Broward County.<<< Hah! Yes, that would be a sight. We haven't heard from his Spiritfulness in a bit. I'd like to see him in this thread...
Originally Posted By MPierce >> for such a philosophically beautiful organization, there would have to be real change in it, and real trust in it for it to really live up to it's potential I am wont to agree with you, even if I do consider myself a optimist. << Always try to remain an optimist EE. Unfortunately a pessimist is something you become with age.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>That's a fair, and honest statment concerning her politics. Exactly what is Palin's stance on healthcare. I'm interested in what you dislike about it?<<< While I don't want to get into a debate on that, as I will honestly admit, I am not prepared for, I can mention that I heartily disliked her spinning of the "death panels" about a year ago when this whole debate was raging. That was just preposterous. (FTR, I didn't like that the other side came out screaming it was a lie, either...thought it was one. They could have done that with some cooth. ) And I know this might be petty...but...I just don't like her demeanor. While folksy charm might win some people over...if you want to look professional, that's not how you do it. That has nothing on her policies, however.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Sure Beck is over the top with his opinions, and statments. He is an entertainer.<<< What is terrible, is while that is true, the majority of people thinks what he is saying is gospel.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Being a historian EE you must always judge history in the context of what was considered proper at the time.<<< Right, that's what I was trying to convey. And WOW, that was a lot of rebuttal/agreeing/typing.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Always try to remain an optimist EE. Unfortunately a pessimist is something you become with age.<<< It is hard, I admit, even now.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> While I don't want to get into a debate on that, as I will honestly admit, I am not prepared for, I can mention that I heartily disliked her spinning of the "death panels" about a year ago when this whole debate was raging. That was just preposterous. << I agree with that. It was an exteme statment meant to triggfeer certain emotions to gain support for her position. I think she could have worded it differently while gandering the same amount of support. >> (FTR, I didn't like that the other side came out screaming it was a lie, either...thought it was one. They could have done that with some cooth. ) << Unfortunately we will be finding out the truth or at least your generation will. >> And I know this might be petty...but...I just don't like her demeanor. While folksy charm might win some people over...if you want to look professional, that's not how you do it. That has nothing on her policies, however. << That is her style. Everybody still addressed her as Sarah when she was Governor. That is part of her charm to many. It's just how she was at that time. Being in the spotlight an achieving fame seems to change some people over time. Let's see what she's like say in 2 years. It's just hard for a redneck like me to resist a woman that hunts, and fishes.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> What is terrible, is while that is true, the majority of people thinks what he is saying is gospel. << I keep hearing that from the left, and I keep asking an example of what he's lying about. Is he reshaping history or using an over the top statment to make a satirical point. He is a entertainer. a commentator. His opinions are just that, opinions. Tell me when he makes a statment about history that is an outright lie.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>I agree with that. It was an exteme statment meant to triggfeer certain emotions to gain support for her position. I think she could have worded it differently while gandering the same amount of support.<<< I'm delighted to see that we agree here. I thought I was going to get it from you. Heheh. >>Unfortunately we will be finding out the truth or at least your generation will.<< I would have said fortunately, in this case, seeing I was for the bill. I have great confidence in it. >>>That is her style. Everybody still addressed her as Sarah when she was Governor. That is part of her charm to many. It's just how she was at that time. Being in the spotlight an achieving fame seems to change some people over time. Let's see what she's like say in 2 years. It's just hard for a redneck like me to resist a woman that hunts, and fishes.<<< Hah! I laughed at that. But I honestly think it's just a difference in opinion for this one... I prefer my politicians to have a professional air about them, even if they are running for office in a place that prefers something different. Of course, I would expect them to adapt to that, but not in the extreme case as Sarah Palin did. A part of me wonders how much of that is "show".
Originally Posted By tashajilek "Canada rates right at the top of countrys with the happiest citizens." Thats true, but my $$ goes much further in the U.S.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> I would have said fortunately, in this case, seeing I was for the bill. I have great confidence in it. << Then tell me what's in it. >> But I honestly think it's just a difference in opinion for this one... I prefer my politicians to have a professional air about them, even if they are running for office in a place that prefers something different. Of course, I would expect them to adapt to that, but not in the extreme case as Sarah Palin did. << I prefer my politicians to be genuine, and honest. >> A part of me wonders how much of that is "show". << Your political differences with her are showing EE. Would you want someone questioning your character because they subscribed to a different philosophy than you do?
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Tell me when he makes a statment about history that is an outright lie.<< He lies about the current president on a daily basis. Evidence of this abounds. Here is but one example. there are many, many more. <a href="http://mediamatters.org/research/200902020014" target="_blank">http://mediamatters.org/resear...02020014</a> Here's another, where he misleads viewers into believing that "doors" were repaired for millions of dollars in federal funds. <a href="http://mediamatters.org/research/200907210005" target="_blank">http://mediamatters.org/resear...07210005</a> It goes on and on like that. His whole schtick is entertaining the incurious with phony truthiness. Of course, when he is help accountable for what he says, he scrambles to say "Hey, I'm just an entertainer!"
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Then tell me what's in it.<<< At the basis of it, it's going to bring affordable, albeit government run, healthcare to those that can't afford it. Private healthcare still will exist. What more do you want to probe me for? ;-) >>>I prefer my politicians to be genuine, and honest.<<< As do I, first and foremost. However, I do believe genuine, as in Ms. Sarah's case, have liberties taken with it. She's not alone, in that, I might add. >>>Your political differences with her are showing EE. Would you want someone questioning your character because they subscribed to a different philosophy than you do?<<< How so? I just don't like her personality. I don't think that has to do with her politics, it simply has to do how she conducts her self, and how much of that persona is actually her, or her attempting to aline herself with her voting base. That's not her politics itself, right?
Originally Posted By leobloom >> So you are advocating an isolationist position for the United States of America Leo? << Only pointing out that the corporations that run this country couldn't care less about "justice" and "liberty" and all that.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> Once agin you take a one sentence statment from a one hour program. Sure Beck is over the top with his opinions, and statments. << I saw the context of the comment, and he didn't explain himself. >> Please quit trying to guess what I might be thinking. << You'd have to start thinking first.
Originally Posted By leobloom How about them Florida Republicans, nominating a crook for governor. Insurance fraud, if you're keeping score. Chalk up another victory for U.S. honor! The businesspersons are just as bad as the politicians, and on the whole quite possibly worse.
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 <<Be careful Bobbe. There are some who would call you a bigot or racist for speaking the truth. >> None of us were born bigots or racists, it's something that comes with time and experience.
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 Not that it's unusual, but I'm confused. EE I thought you guys were from Dade County? I use to live in Broward County. Once again I'm setting someone up.
