Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>I'm not in favor of passing a flawed bill in the hopes that our Government will fix it in the future.<< Then tell your GOP representatives to offer up some ideas, rather than sitting there with their arms folded like two year olds.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Remember when he called Obama a racist? << No I don't. I only watched him because of that Damn Spirit. Beck is boring to me. I don't believe in his philosophy on so many things. I don't know how I can make that any more clear. I just never heard him lie about what he was saying. He only stated his opinion. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...R2PDmbmA" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...R2PDmbmA</a> >> That's how he rolls. One moment says Obama has "revealed himself, over and over again, to have a deep-seated hatred of white people, or the white culture, I don't know what it is..." Corrected by his fellow Fox News host, he went on "I'm not saying that he doesn't like white people..." (of course, he had just seconds before said he hated white people. LOL!) "I'm saying this guy has a problem, he is, I believe, a racist." Beck doesn't even know what the hell he's talking about half the time. He lied right in that little clip -- saying Obama hates white people one moment, but he's not saying he hates white people, but that he's a racist with a problem. It's a lot of gibberish. << He is a commentator. He is speaking his opinion. Shouldn't a commentator be allowed to do that? Remember He is not a Journalist or a Politian. He has concerns with Obama, especially about the church Obama attended for 20 years. and the clearly messed up beer summet when Obama came to a conclusion involving race when he clearly didn't have all the facts, and said as much. I thought he was making a comment about him having a hatred of white society as an establishment. Not a hatred of individual white people, though Beck seems not sure if that is the case or not. It is hard to judge what is in a persons heart. Obama can definetly be a racist, and hate white society, and what it stands for, but not hate white people in general as a rule. I don't see what is difficult to understand about that. Ask any black person or Hispanic or Asian. Racist doesn't mean you hate, it means you feel that other races or inferior to yours. You may feel Beck is an Idiot, but I would sure hate to debate him.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Pop on over to World Events and we can continue the debate there so that this thread doesn;'t get moved away. << I never go there because it's just rantings like this has turned into. I just don't like it in this forum, but I will not allow it to go unchallenged. Just look back, and see how this all got started.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>You may feel Beck is an Idiot, but I would sure hate to debate him.<<< Because whatever pops into his mind is what he says? I wonder if he's scripted?
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>I never go there because it's just rantings like this has turned into. I just don't like it in this forum, but I will not allow it to go unchallenged. Just look back, and see how this all got started.<<< I shouldn't go on vacation and make remarks about places, huh?
Originally Posted By MPierce >> While I'd be happy if she just went away, she has other ideas. So that's why people are going to have an opinion about her and her "folksy" act and inane twits and tweets. << You keep saying it's an act. So you know her personally? Have the major news agencies said it was all fake?
Originally Posted By MPierce >> No, not so, I don't think Hillary or Pelosi is genuine, and I share their ideas. Don't paint me to be totally with my party, Pierce. ;-) I'm too independent, for my own good, which isn't bad. LOL. << Funny, I don't think Hillary or Nancy or contrived at all. I believe they are the genuine real deal. I just disagree with a lot of their politics.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> And all I said was that I liked Boston, wanted to move there, and that the people were more respectful... << My best friend in Viet Nam was from the Boston area. he was anything but respectful!
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Yes, that would be nice. I had hoped that Republicans and Democrats would work together on the bill in the name of doing what's best for the American people. But the GOP made the cynical, political move of basically being against this bill, that bill, ANY bill, because it played to their political base. They even were against the things they asked to be part of the plan! Does that make any kind of sense? Is it reasonable to be that way? That isn't leadership. It's obstruction. And it doesn't do a thing to solve the problem of what to do about healthcare in this country. << Every Republican I saw interviewed was saying they were blocked from having any imput into the bill. e-mail the Republicans an asked them, but I suppose all the Congressmen, and Senators are lying.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Of course. I can tell you that I would MUCH rather my tax dollars be going towards providing healthcare to people than on wars of choice in the middle east. How much healthcare could we pay for if we weren't spending billions, trillions, whatever it now is, rebuilding Iraq (which is going to just be what it was before we got there anyway once we're out). << Get elected then you were have more imput in when we fight wars. Need I mention that we are where we are because it was supported both Republicans and Democrats? Yes I would like to spend our tax dollars differently. I would also like to live in a world where we didn't have to go to war. That world only lives in John Lennon's song though. Never was there any serious talk from the so-called fiscal conservatives about raising taxes to pay for these wars. Nope, it's all on a credit card, plus interest. << So let's hear the Democrats solution for paying for things. You do know that those nasty hated Republicans can't block anything, don't you?
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>You keep saying it's an act.<< What term would you prefer? Brand? Stage presence? Schtick? Routine? >>Every Republican I saw interviewed was saying they were blocked from having any imput into the bill.<< That's just not true. >>"This bill, except for the five to 10 things that weren't resolved, has been put together with some Republican input," Grassley said.<< Chuck Grassley is a GOP senator. <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/21/AR2009092102288_2.html?sid=ST2009092103807" target="_blank">http://www.washingtonpost.com/...92103807</a>
Originally Posted By MPierce I'm still back here at post 340. I'm going to go read some post that actually have something to do with WDW.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Then tell your GOP representatives to offer up some ideas, rather than sitting there with their arms folded like two year olds. << They did offer solutions, and still are doing so. Do you read any other news rather than just far left wing blog sites?
Originally Posted By MPierce >> I shouldn't go on vacation and make remarks about places, huh? << Of coarse you should EE. It's only when someone comes into a WDW forum with a political agenda that sets me into my rantings. It all comes to an end when the other person chooses to let what they posted go.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> >>"This bill, except for the five to 10 things that weren't resolved, has been put together with some Republican input," Grassley said.<< Chuck Grassley is a GOP senator. << I will contact the Senators staff. So I gueass those other folks, John McCain being one of them were lying the. So the Republicans helped orchestrate this bill then tried to block it. That is your contention then? What are the 5 to 10 things that weren't resolvede?
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Do you read any other news rather than just far left wing blog sites?<< I see. Now we're going top get insulting. Peace out.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>What are the 5 to 10 things that weren't resolvede? << Ask the senator's staff when you contact them. He made the statement, not me. I provided it to counter what you said -- that "every Republican" said they didn't participate in the legislation, or were "blocked" from doing so.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>So I gueass those other folks, John McCain being one of them were lying<< John McCain switches positions whichever way the wind is blowing. That isn't news.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Anyway, I'm going to shut up now. This is the WDW section and this thread is now so far off topic it's ridiculous. But I would be very happy to discuss any of this with you in world events if you choose to.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> Please quit trying to guess what I might be thinking. << >> You'd have to start thinking first. << >> Honestly Leo, I never thought thinking was required when having a debate with you. << Granted more thinking is required if we're discussing Disney's toilets, but I expect you to think even if we're talking about politics, patriotism, and Mom's apple pie!
