Originally Posted By leobloom "There are some newer things that simply are better." That statement assumes a good/bad binary. "Attraction X simply is better than what was here before."
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<"If I'm not mistaken he also recorded the spiel on the Trams at MCO." He also did the voice work on the gate to my grandma's neighborhood. Sure, he was great and all, but I really have trouble thinking that he's much more than a nice sounding voice.>> I think he had quite a significant role at Disney, but I don't want to get into a debate about Jack. That wasn't the reason I brought it up. It was just a pet peeve about 'fans' ... no, in the big scheme of things it isn't all that significant. But it was driven home recently when I saw WDW selling 'retro' monorail tees with Jack's spiel on them thinking 'there's Disney dumbing things down to the LCD of their fans (likely after spending time reading sites like this)' ... like I said pet peeve.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 >>Jack was the official voice of WDW.<< <<Yes, he was. But he is universally known as "The Voice of Disneyland." Try a Google search, and you'll see what I mean. (There is no one known as "The Voice of Walt Disney World," but if there was, it would certainly be the talented and ubiquitous Jack Wagner.)>> It may not have been an 'official' moniker. But Jack was indeed the Voice of WDW no matter how you look at it. That's why he was asked to record the tram spiels at MCO ... because he was so recognized with WDW. >>As to the 'Disney personalties' you mention, I guess maybe you think they're not open to shots like anyone else?<< <<No, I don't. And certainly not cheap shots. But I do think they, like anyone else, are open for warranted criticism.>> My shots, however cheap, were largely tongue in cheek. And both men are open to criticism. I'd rather not have a discussion about them here -- my threads often take off on tangents and I'd like to keep this one at least somewhat ontrack. If you want to discuss them or my criticism of their recent actions in a new thread I'd be glad to join you. >>I like Marty... The recent criticism that has been leveled at him is richly deserved.<< <<Yes, but not the uncharacteristic cheap shot that opened this thread.>> I thought that shot was as cheap as his shots against the fans who dare think the Small World changes were poorly thought out and done for the wrong reasons in his PR response to the fan community (and largely Jon Nadelburg). But again, I'd rather discuss it elsewhere.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 Fans who think FastPass is one of the best things about Disney or one of its biggest problems.
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>My shots, however cheap, were largely tongue in cheek.<< OK. >>"There are some newer things that simply are better." That statement assumes a good/bad binary.<< No. It assumes that some things are better. NOT that things should be divided into only two categories, good or bad. And again, it should be taken in the context it was given. Can we get back to the pet peeves?
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost I sometimes get the feeling that some of you think that because we may post on a Disney Board or two and have opinions that seem obsessive, we are people with no discernible lives. To say that if, for example, I feel that fastpass will cause long range harm, that makes me a geek, well then so be it. I, probably mistakenly, feel that I have a right to express myself on this subject and if that becomes a pet peeve to someone then you must ask yourself, which one of us has a problem? I have also been called a Pollyanna because I don't always notice the evils of chipped paint or a light bulb out, but, at the same time I can be critical of a huge part of the Disney experience and be considered a peeve provoking geek. I'm so confused. Perhaps I should lie down.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: Back in the mid to late 80's, my sisters and I had the pleasure of meeting Jack Wagner during an interview we were conducting for the N.F.F.C (National Fantasy Fan Club). At the time he took us into his personal studio, where he showed us all his recording equipment. He had this large room in his house where he created all his recordings. He was such a charasmatic sort of gentleman with many stories to tell. Unfortunately, he passed away not too much longer--I believe within a year or two--after our interview with him. ORWEN: I wish we still have the recorded tape from the interview, too, because it's been so long ago since we've heard it, even though we were the one's in charge of it. But we handed the tape over to someone at the N.F.F.C. and don't know what's happened to it. ORDDU: Still, it was quite a highlight for the 3 of us to be in his presence.
Originally Posted By demderedoseguys My newest pet peeve- That Spirit started a new thread on this when he could have gotten the same results by adding to my "Appeal" thread. I was hoping for a record and now he's killed a thread about himself and TDLFAN
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<Fans who know Jack Wagner only for some stupid closing the doors on the monorail spiel in Espanol instead of the amazing wealth of work the 'Voice of WDW' did before his passing. I'd venture to say that 90% of the people (yeah, I'm pulling that number out of ... ) who think it's cool to repeat the inane spiel have absolutely no clue who Jack was. Sad.>> I'll be one of the first to admit I know very little about Jack Wagner. Does that make me sad? I don't think so. Everyone is different, every fan is different. Some are very hardcore fans, some not so much. Some just enjoy Disney for what it is, whatever that may be or mean. There are going to be people who know or appreciate less about Disney than I do, but there are also going to be people who know and appreciate more than I do. That is just a fact of life. So... what is wrong with Disney fans? Nothing, or nothing more than being a fan of anything else. It takes all kinds, and if the Disney company didn't have all kinds of fans, it wouldn't be anywhere near as successful as it is with its products.
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 I think what is wrong with Disney fans is there are a select few (5%) or so who think that if someone doesn't agree with their viewpoints or doesn't know the history as well as them then they are not as strong of a Disney fan, therefore their opinions mean less than the "true" fans...
Originally Posted By mousermerf Pet Peeve: The argument thrown around that "the general public will love it" and "it's just whiny fan boys complaining" when a lesser attraction/experience/etc is introduced. Oh, or "it's subjective." Oo, i hate that. Life is subjective - are we really here? Is this a dream? At some point you have to make an assumption and make judgments based on it. Hiding behind it being subjective serves no purpose other then to promote something. Also, "wait till you experience it in person." Has this argument ever been used to say something was bad? Nope, just to try and keep it the mentality positive or neutral. And finally, the fans who can't see they're doing this and claim they're not just trying to be "up with Disney" and are actually looking at things with any sort of critical eye.
Originally Posted By SFH Speaking of Jack Wagner, I hurt myself laughing so hard at his explanation of why a certain word was the most interesting word in the English language. There is some funny "Family Unfriendly" Wagner stuff out there. SFH
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA ^^^Yes indeed. I have also heard Jack Wagner's recording of 'The Uses of the 'F' Word.' And to hear him recite the various uses of the word 'as an adjective' using his best Disney Announcer voice, was one of the funniest things I've ever heard.
Originally Posted By leobloom >It assumes that some things are better. NOT that things should be divided into only two categories, good or bad. And again, it should be taken in the context it was given. Can we get back to the pet peeves?> It's all subjective, Doug. Saying something is "simply better" assumes that everyone's going to share your opinion. So getting back to pet peeves, I hate when fans think that a change is "simply better" or "simply worse." That's simply not true. There are advantages and disadvantages to all changes.
Originally Posted By mickeyboy43 Pet Peeves? I hate it when fans base their beliefs of a ride on information or feelings that other people have given them as opposed to forming their own opinion about something.
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>It's all subjective, Doug. Saying something is "simply better" assumes that everyone's going to share your opinion.<< No, it assumes that, in certain instances, there exists an actual generally agreed upon standard for bad and good. Not everyone agrees, but I do believe it is possible.
Originally Posted By DlandDug Bear in mind, in this thread we're talking "pet peeves" here. These are things that we may acknowledge as irrational, but bother us nonetheless.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<My newest pet peeve- That Spirit started a new thread on this when he could have gotten the same results by adding to my "Appeal" thread. I was hoping for a record and now he's killed a thread about himself and TDLFAN>> I guess I'm going to have to accept your pet peeve. But threads must stand on their own merits. If people want that thread to go on and on and on ... it will. And, frankly, while I greatly appreciate the sentiments that caused you to start the thread, I'm not thrilled with being the center of attention. I don't feel I'm nearly as interesting as what I have to say ... but I guess others disagree ;-)
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<^^^Yes indeed. I have also heard Jack Wagner's recording of 'The Uses of the 'F' Word.' And to hear him recite the various uses of the word 'as an adjective' using his best Disney Announcer voice, was one of the funniest things I've ever heard. >> Oh that bit is SOOOOOOOOOOO funny. Classic doesn't even do it justice. GREAT STUFF!
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Bear in mind, in this thread we're talking "pet peeves" here. These are things that we may acknowledge as irrational, but bother us nonetheless.>> Exactly. I didn't start this as mega-serious deal ... more of the little stuff of fandom that gets on my nerves and wanted to see what/how others thought/felt. Here's another: 'fans' who refuse to believe things that happened in the past BEFORE they started visiting.
