Originally Posted By Sport Goofy << but are you saying they'd be better off if they died ? I sure hope not... >> They might be. We have this culture where we treat every life as if it is precious. Life is not precious. There are 6 billion people on this earth -- it's not like we have a crisis in reproduction.
Originally Posted By utahjosh <We have this culture where we treat every life as if it is precious. Life is not precious. There are 6 billion people on this earth -- it's not like we have a crisis in reproduction.> I LOVE that culture. I view every life as precious and of great worth, inherent. (However I believe some can devalue themselves!) You sound like human life is about as important as the ant population in a remote desert to you.
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy << I LOVE that culture. I view every life as precious and of great worth, inherent. (However I believe some can devalue themselves!) >> I wonder who you put in the category as devalued? Gays, non-believers, and the other "riff raff" of society that doesn't conform with your beliefs? My philosophy is so much less hypocritical than yours. You say life is precious, then offer a caveat to except people you don't really want to think of in that way. I say life isn't precious at all, but I certainly value the gifts and contributions of a whole host of individuals that manage to live on this planet of ours -- no exceptions.
Originally Posted By utahjosh <I wonder who you put in the category as devalued? Gays, non-believers?> Certainly not. Those who choose not to believe or are attracted to those of the same sex are of equal value to anyone else. It's the people killing and abusing others that I think de-value themselves. Murderers, Child abusers, etc.
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy << Those who choose not to believe or are attracted to those of the same sex are of equal value to anyone else. >> Just not valuable enough to have the same rights as other citizens, particularly in the area of marriage contracts? Right?
Originally Posted By gottaluvdavillains Okay so now her parents have spoken out she now has 14 kids under 7. She already has 7, 6, 5 and 3, and 2-year-old twins. Looks like they have the room for them once they are released.... <<But the grandfather warned that media may have a tougher time finding the family after the babies are released from the hospital. "We have a huge house, not here," said the man, who would only identify himself as Ed. "You are never going to know where it is>> My question is why would she be seeking fertility treatments or even qualify for it if she has been pregnant about every year already. And no mention of a husband. I really do hope CBS and CNN were wrong and she really is married - Even with the help of her parents, a father would really help. <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090130/ap_on_he_me/calif_octuplets" target="_blank">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...ctuplets</a> Maybe she can afford them all since she has a nanny... <<Araceli Castro, right, who identified herself as a nanny, talks to reporters in the morning on Friday, Jan. 30, 2009 as she arrives at the Whittier, Calif. home of a woman who gave birth to octuplets this week. The family of the woman who gave birth to the octuplets says she has six other young children at home>> <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Octuplets-born-Calif-hospital/ss/events/hl/012709octupletscalif" target="_blank">http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/...etscalif</a> According to the video on Yahoo - She had fertility treatments and had the embryos implanted. My question would then be - why would they implant so many embryos at one time?
Originally Posted By utahjosh I'm not going to participate in a prop 8 related discussion here, sorry.
Originally Posted By mele <<Sounds like a case of mental illness, or a cult to me.>> Yeah, it certainly sounds creepier by the minute! Get them some red Snuggies! <<"We have a huge house, not here," said the man, who would only identify himself as Ed. "You are never going to know where it is>> What an idiot.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <<But the grandfather warned that media may have a tougher time finding the family after the babies are released from the hospital.>> I had to laugh when I read this line. This is the second time in USA history of this number of babies born at the same time. Just where do they think they are going to "hide". You don't think anyone is going to notice 8 siblings all sharing the same date of birth when they enter school? DUH!
Originally Posted By gottaluvdavillains I don't think it will take until school age... Just shopping for the diapers should be a dead giveaway!!!
Originally Posted By mele Can the hospital have press conferences about things like this w/o the patient's permission?
Originally Posted By gottaluvdavillains Good question mele... I bet as long as they don't give out her name it's okay.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney Lol, this was a bizarre story and certainly how the media treated it. When it was first announced about the 8 babies, people were alllll over it, fawning about the new miracle and how it was a nice story of the week. Then find out a day later the woman already has 6 kids and a single mom and now it has gone from wonder and amazament to shock and horror, because obviously this woman is a kook . Even Angelina Jolene is going, 'Lady, c'mon??'. It must be something wrong with this woman Im sorry. Why would someone who already has 6 kids under 10 years old want more so soon? And soo many? This is just completely crazy to me. Her dad is even going back to Iraq as a contractor to help his daughter and now 14 grandkids. I mean where were the doctors telling her NO?? So bizarre!!
Originally Posted By avromark Well I's say 3 under 2 is just fine, but 14 under 10? WorldDisney didn't you say you always wanted to adopt a dozen or so (give or take 2) kids?
Originally Posted By WorldDisney Noooo not me . I had 2 hamsters a few years back, that was WORK!!! ;D No, I like to have maybe one or two kids someday, but yeah, thats my limit. I dont think I could ever afford more than two....to take them to Tokyo DisneySea every year from whatever country we are living in. Priorities .
Originally Posted By gottaluvdavillains I can't help thinking something is fishy about all this... What kind of fertility clinic would implant so many eggs... <<Experts] would be astounded if a fertility specialist actually implanted eight eggs," ABC News medical contributor Dr. Tim Johnson said on "Good Morning America" today. "Current guidelines, which are guidelines, not law, would suggest between one and four. ... A vast majority of experts would say that [implanting eight] is bad practice." Likewise, bioethicist Caplan Tuesday told ABCNews.com that, "anyone who transfers eight embryos should be arrested for malpractice." >> <a href="http://abcnews.go.com/Health/WomensHealth/Story?id=6769355&page=2" target="_blank">http://abcnews.go.com/Health/W...5&page=2</a>
Originally Posted By avromark No this is just a plot to save the auto industry. If enough families have kids, the sale of Sprinters and High Aces will take off!
