Originally Posted By Dabob2 <No this is just a plot to save the auto industry.> Or at least the clown car industry.
Originally Posted By wonderingalice ^^And more crappy Dodge Caravans slowing down my drive home every afternoon. Accckkk! ;-) Seriously, this story - and this is a term I've heard here at LP on a few different topics - made me throw up in my mouth a little bit. Makes me wonder just how many insane people were involved in this screwy scenario from the get-go. Bleecchh.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney Yeah, this story is sooo kooky, especially how quickly it turned in the media. One of the reporters here in Australia just called the woman a 'loon' lol, the same reporter who gushed about all those beautiful babies a day ago. I think its sort of the equivalent if you had the other feel good story about the plane that crash landed into the Hudson and everyone calling the pilot a true American hero over it just to learn the next day he was doing crack cocaine just before take off ;D.
Originally Posted By dshyates There are rumors that she visited more than one fertility clinic. So she may have had more than one doctor implant fertilized eggs.
Originally Posted By -em I too wonder about her doctors... Ive done IVF more times than I think I can count (one day itll work) and my drs would NEVER put that many eggs in (usually it tops out at 5-6) and Im amazed they would put that many in when she already had that many kids... Geez- and all I want is one...
Originally Posted By gottaluvdavillains I think the story turned from look at the pretty babies (which I am sure they still are) - to what the h3ll was she thinking when apparently she can have babies and has had babies already. I wonder if this wasn't some publicity seeking stunt.
Originally Posted By DAR So let me get this straight. She has six kids. She just had eight more kids. And she did it with the help of fertility drugs. That's sort of like having a mouthful of jelly beans and then trying cram in some Reeses Pieces in there.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney Breaking news kids, the woman supposedly had a sperm donor for the FIRST six kids and the same guy was a donor for these as well. Story here: <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/30/octuplets-conceived-throu_n_162571.html" target="_blank">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...571.html</a> On top of that, her family filed for bankruptsy a year and a half ago which tells you they werent enjoying the highlife before . Obama is going to have to make a another stimulus package for this family alone. I'm sorry, but the more I hear, the more this disgusts me! And if this family think they will someone escape the media with every reporter from Culver City to Tokyo now camped out on their lawn, they have another thing coming.
Originally Posted By DAR Here I was thinking I'd have a shot(although I haven't seen a photo, but still how hard would it be slip one past the goalie.)
Originally Posted By dshyates -em, listening to your story makes me sad, but I couldn't help getting a flash oh Holly Hunter yelling at Nicholas Cage: Ed: "Go out and get me a toddler, they have more than they can handle."
Originally Posted By gottaluvdavillains LOL - I thought the same thing... I loved Raising Arizona! -em it makes no sense to me how some people can just pop out one after another like it's no big deal - I about cringed when the View had to give the Duggar woman a Pregnancy Test last week while she was sitting there with #18 - and others struggle for years trying just to have one. I really hope you find the baby you are suppose to have, whether it grows under your heart or in your heart.
Originally Posted By mater4 I am a WE lurker but have to comment on how insane this lady is. I don't agree with telling someone how many children they should have but there should be some guidelines. Being able to afford basic care without government assistance is one that comes to mind. This is especially important for those going through fertility with the chance of multiples. {{{-em}}}} I have a friend who finally made the decision to adopt. It was a long difficult road for her. In some ways I am sure she still struggles with her infertility. I really get mad when you see parents who don't provide for their kids due to substance abuse etc. yet they continue to have more kids.
Originally Posted By Inspector 57 >><56p Is there any among us -- including Catholics -- who would say that each of these births is a good thing? < geez- another religious 'trap' well ANY birth is unto itself a good thing..the creation of a human being. The situation surrounding their future is not a good thing, but are you saying they'd be better off if they died ? I sure hope not...<< Now that they've been born, I wish them all the best. I do not hope death upon them. Fact is, I'd've probably begun wishing them all the best upon conception. I don't have a neat, clean summary position on abortion, but I generally think that at best it's usually a lamentable action. <<geez- another religious 'trap'>> I singled out Catholics because that religion is the one that (a) actively encourages its practitioners to have as many children as possible and (b)explicitly prohibits them from doing anything to keep that from happening. <<well ANY birth is unto itself a good thing..the creation of a human being.>> I guess this is where we disagree. I don't advocate infanticide, and I'm not a big fan of abortion, but I sure don't think that "ANY birth is unto itself a good thing... the creation of a human being." I take public transportation to my job at the mall. Every single day, I ride the bus with young, un-partnered, not-very-bright women who obviously don't have the resources to raise their children in a healthy way. Once in the mall, I inevitably see examples of parents habitually mistreating their kids. It would have been better all around had those children never been born. Frankly, I just can't see your (and your church's) "every birth is a joyful occasion" position. I do understand why the church advocates that position. The church is a business, and -- as any business -- its first priority is to continue to exist. What better way to ensure its future membership than to command its current members to reproduce? But the whole "every birth is magical, so let's have as many as we can" stuff is completely bogus. It's hurtful to so many real people. Some births should never happen -- including the eight that the bankrupt single mother from the original post was somehow able to unnaturally wrangle.
Originally Posted By avromark <<I singled out Catholics because that religion is the one that (a) actively encourages its practitioners to have as many children as possible and (b)explicitly prohibits them from doing anything to keep that from happening.>> Actually it's more of a if it happens, it happens approach. (Which will depending on the biological mix of the parents happen) It's the sect of Christianity that I forget what it's called that the Duggars practice that encourages HUGE families (Although the founder of the movement is single and doesn't have any kids, pretty much doesn't practice 90% of what he preaches). The edicts from the Catholic church come from a time when having lots of kids = lots of hands for the farm. Now I find it funny how on the local radio here, they talk about octuplets then saying she gave 14 babies she just hand and can't take care of. Uh someone PLEASE proofread your comments
Originally Posted By Inspector 57 As a society, we need to stop overly romanticizing giving birth. Obviously, reproduction is necessary for the species. And, of course, the biologically-programmed urge to reproduce is inherent in many individuals. Those two truths are undeniable. But sociological forces also have a huge effect on our culture's birth rate. And we're encouraging births in situations in which giving birth is not a positive outcome. It's the Catholic church. It's overly-pressuring parents who selfishly want to become grandparents. It's African-American culture that defines womanhood as motherhood. It's white culture that expects all women to get married and have kids. It's the media that fawns over the parents of quintuplets with all kinds of cute human-interest stories and zero substantive pieces questioning the wisdom of such births. As a society, let's get real, and let's get explicit about it. People having kids they can't afford is not a good thing. It's not good when people who are incapable of raising kids in a healthy way have kids. Sadly, not all births are "blessings."
Originally Posted By avromark Isn't the white population as a % declining with smaller average family sizes and increased immigration from non European sources? Arguing the other side of the coin, The birth may be a "blessing" however it's a blessing for the wrong person. I'm semi-religious (Belief in, but not necessarily a person who attends services regularly). But we do have laws about minimum age for work, waiting periods for guns, "marriage" licences (although if right age not exactly hard to get), licences to operate vehicles (and restrictions by class). Is it not too much to expect a person to you know maybe take care of their basic needs and plan for the basic needs (Ok maybe not hit Enlightenment on Maslow's Hierarchy) or go to the one baby per couple rule of China. But have some basic guidelines for birth? Let's through out the argument about young sex legality for one moment. But let's say if your underage, parents should take responsibility (If a parent is responsible for housing/feeding/schooling a child they should also be able to you know have a say or knowledge of babies as it is a *slight* life altering event that you know kind of requires a commitment of a reasonable length of time). There are plenty of couples who are deemed too old/single/can't have kids(either biologically, medical Ie (chance of genetic problems) or non heterosexual (especially considering 2 men can't exactly have artificial insemination if you're not Arnold). Then again regardless of age let's look at emotional development. 1. I don't think an average 14 yr old is capable of taking care of themselves fully (Yes bathing/decisions but not living alone with a degree of acceptable quality of life standards) or some adults. I'm not attacking the Uneducated, since you don't have to be educated to have common sense. Just like there are a lot of "educated idiots" out there (stop staring at me ). Also let's look at reasonable. Let's say the average is 2.3 kids. 4 is not out of the question (if you can support 4, or more). Let's say an "Amish" family (Which are by and large a lot larger then your average Catholic family these days) has 8. They provide food, education, skills training (some argue responsibility for them are taken at too young an age). The child still has a good quality of life. Now if you can't even afford the 6 you have now. Why would you willingly take on 8? Let's not even get into semantics of what will this child provide. Let's take a look at some large families we know of. They give their children morals, expect them to go to university (like many parents do) and become contributing members of society. The amish family may not expect university, but the end goal of the upbringing is useful member of society. Do you think this mom is planning anything beyond today? Is she teaching her kids right and wrong? Maybe she is. But if she was she'd probably have some self control and not want more kids then she can handle. I'm gonna guess but let's hear from people who have had multiple youngsters at once. Is 8 (not counting the other young kids) too much for a single mom (even with help of grandpa) too much to handle? Can she keep up with the diapers? give the children quality time alone to discuss their own matters? (Sorry I don't think with people one size/one solution fits all). Sorry for my demented pov.
Originally Posted By RockyMtnMinnie Well, and at this point, we don't know the potential life long medical problems some of these children could be facing. Is she prepared for that?
Originally Posted By avromark I'd argue that 6 under 8 for a single mom would be too many to take care of. But then again I'm a man. So I wouldn't know anything.
