When 8 makes 14 too many for a single mother.

Originally Posted By avromark

<a href="http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090131/world/octuplets" target="_blank">http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/cap...ctuplets</a>


Mom fesses up, not pleased (and currently looking after her other 6 kids) her daughter was obsessed since a teenager to have kids but couldn't conceive, doesn't want to be married, was "using up" her frozen embryos, did not want to about the embryos or fetuses...

Only in California

 

Originally Posted By Mr X

***Her mother and doctors have said the woman was told she had the option to abort some of the embryos and, later, the fetuses. She refused.***

This is where I draw the line.

You don't "abort" frozen embryos. You discard them.

 

Originally Posted By avromark

Well can we blame David Solomon for these kids too? If he's the father I'm guessing he's one popular guy.

 

Originally Posted By vbdad55

<Fact is, I'd've probably begun wishing them all the best upon conception. I don't have a neat, clean summary position on abortion, but I generally think that at best it's usually a lamentable action<

glad to hear that

<I singled out Catholics because that religion is the one that (a) actively encourages its practitioners to have as many children as possible and (b)explicitly prohibits them from doing anything to keep that from happening<

I haven't heard that type of preachng ( have as many kids as you can)since I was young - and I am 54 now...

<I take public transportation to my job at the mall. Every single day, I ride the bus with young, un-partnered, not-very-bright women who obviously don't have the resources to raise their children in a healthy way. Once in the mall, I inevitably see examples of parents habitually mistreating their kids.

It would have been better all around had those children never been born.<

no, it would be better if they were placed with a loving family not if they had not been born. A lot of famous people came from screwed up families. I feel for the kids in this situation, I understand why it upsets you, but the blame if you will is misplaced.

 

Originally Posted By wahooskipper

Having two children myself, one a product of insemination and one a product of in vitro, this story just saddens me.

For as much as the woman is to blame, greater blame...in my opinion...goes to the "doctors" who allowed this to happen. There is NO way this woman should have been allowed to be implanted with 4 eggs. This was about money...plain and simple.

And, now "mommy" wants $2 million from Oprah to tell her story.

 

Originally Posted By Mr X

I don't understand the financial side of this so much Wahoo, care to enlighten us?

Do docs get paid based on how many eggs are used, or????

(no clue..looking for enlightenment here)

 

Originally Posted By DouglasDubh

<You don't "abort" frozen embryos. You discard them.>

At that point, they weren't frozen, but growing in her womb.

 

Originally Posted By Mr X

Could you direct me to the post where that was written?

Seems as though it has been erased (I might have missed it, though).

As such, I can't possibly comment since I can't view the context in which I wrote that comment. I have no idea at what point the frozen embryos were no longer frozen, ect...

Did someone contact the management because I wrote something somehow offensive, or something?

When did my comments get erased?

Why does Douglas still have my comment to quote from, when it was (apparently) erased?

Weird, huh?

 

Originally Posted By Mr X

Never mind.

 

Originally Posted By Mr X

(too much vodka tonight...my bad)

 

Originally Posted By wahooskipper

Well, I'm sure there is an escalation in price based on the number of eggs the doctor fertilizes. But, that isn't the point.

When you go in for these types of treatments there is supposed to be a pretty extensive conversation that helps assure the doctors you are of the mindset to go through this. The woman was unmarried (not that it should matter that much) and already had 6 kids.

I haven't heard many fertility doctors come out and say, "sure, I would have implanted four eggs."

It is irresponsible. The mother of this woman is alluding to some sort of psychologial issue. No one else picked up on that?

 

Originally Posted By Mr X

Thanks for the input.

I would think that any doctor in his right mind would question the notion that a single parent with six kids should somehow "need" another one.

But I guess populating the planet is important...right? (that goes out to all the "gay marriage will ruin us all" critics)

 

Originally Posted By dshyates

Her mother said that her daughter is obsessed with having children, and will no longer provide assisstence.
I think that obsessed is about right. From what I can put together she has a bachelors degree in Childhood Development (which I assume she got because of her obsession with babies), and concieved 14 children through IVF.
And no one noticed anything odd.
Now we have 8 pre-mature babies facing a lifetime of monumentally expensive health problems because Mom is a whack-a-doo. How is she NOT a menece to society?

 

Originally Posted By Mr X

But..but...populating the planet is, important. right?

 

Originally Posted By dshyates

OK, everybody sing:

"Every sperm is sacred.
Every spem is Great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate..."

 

Originally Posted By wonderingalice

"Get that for me would you, Deirdre?"


Uh oh... So, if Oprah doesn't make an offer, they're all going to be sold off as science experiments?

 

Originally Posted By dshyates

I can't believe this lady wants to sell her octuplets to Oprah for $20 million.

 

Originally Posted By wonderingalice

And if Oprah doesn't pay up, they'll be left on her doorstep with little notes pinned on their blankets.

 

Originally Posted By barboy

///BTW The Philippines is a predominantly Catholic country (Except the south or north I forget which) and it has got to be one of the most gay friendly countries I've been too.///

Did I hear Philippines?
I will remain here indefinitely.

And the southern regions are hugely Islamic because Indonesia, which has the highest population of muslims in the world, is so very close. I won't go anywhere near those parts of the Philippines, no way!


The 'bakla' (homosexual), according to domestic culture, is broken down into:

'badings'---- males who look and act like females and want males who look and act like males

'tomboys'----females who look and act like males want females who look and act like females

'salihis' or 'acdc's'---- males who look and act like males want males who look and act like males and females who look and act like females


What I have noticed is that.....
'badings' are not attracted to other 'badings'; they want a 'real' man(locals call heteros 'real').

and

'tomboys' are not attracted to other 'tomboys'; they want a 'real' woman.

and

'salihis' want 'real' men and women



How did I do avromark----do you concur?

Anyway there is no need to hide here as movie stars, high ranking politicians and any commoner enjoys total acceptance even if they are part of the 'bakla' community.

Also 85% of the population is avowedly Roman Catholic.

 

Originally Posted By mele

I hope no one takes this woman up on her offers to do tv shows, interviews, etc. Once they see her getting fame, who knows what kind of weirdos will come out of the woodwork.