Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<It's a closed loop story. Karl's emotional journey is complete.>> Same could be said about Cars. Well except for the "It's fine cinema" part.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo I'm going to defend Cars here, it is my fav Pixar actually. Like Lighting Mcqueen I had a very fast paced high flying career, the youngest exec in a Fortune 100 company, but I never saw my wife and kids, and life was passing me by. Circumstances changed and got me to rethink, and I changed tack to set up my own company, try to spend more time with family, my communtiy and friends. Cars speaks to me on a level no other Pixar has. Just like when John Lasseter thought of it. Sadly, I do not think it resonates in the same way with other people. Plus it has the very best soundtracks of all the Pixars too.
Originally Posted By Bob Paris 1 "Oh, I'm sure it will be a hit. But, spending that kind of money means it better boost DCA ridiculously high in the attendance and guest spending areas while also attracting a lot more guests from out of town to come to Disneyland. Somehow I don't see it happening." Well, if it means anything, we are not coming back to the US until late 2012 and manily because we are waiting for DCA 2.0 to be finished. We will be buying two APs for out seven - nine days there. That's two extra adult visitors from Australia. I kinda figured you'd be lame to visit BEFORE it's all finished.
Originally Posted By Bob Paris 1 "I loathe Cars" I hear ya. That and the Rat film are the only two DIsney films I am yet to watch. And I will probably watch the Rat one first. Ijust find the idea of anthropomorphic cars to be stupid.
Originally Posted By Bob Paris 1 Of course "manily" should be mainly. Either way we intend to "do" the DLR in as "manly" a way as possible. If by definition that includes kicking Duffy in the walnuts, so be it. If he's still around and the APs haven't tied him to a truck bound for the Ozarks, that is.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<I would've thought the same thing about Everest, and you see how that turned out. My confidence in WDI is near zip at the moment. (Of course, I'm also basing that comment on their recent work in Florida)>> <<The difference, the team on this project is headed up by Bob Weis.>> Are you saying Joe Rohde is not capable of bringing a major project in at a fair (for what is being delivered) budget? I am truly surprised that Everest is the costliest attraction Disney has produced in the states, but I know Lee knows his numbers. And I know what Mission Space cost. As to RSR, it really has to deliver for the kind of money being spent. Simply being a Cars version of TT won't cut it. There has to be significant show elements, effects and a few surprises that haven't been outed yet. Otherwise, I'll be the one suggesting WDI be dismantled myself.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<I'm going to defend Cars here, it is my fav Pixar actually. Like Lighting Mcqueen I had a very fast paced high flying career, the youngest exec in a Fortune 100 company, but I never saw my wife and kids, and life was passing me by. Circumstances changed and got me to rethink, and I changed tack to set up my own company, try to spend more time with family, my communtiy and friends. Cars speaks to me on a level no other Pixar has. Just like when John Lasseter thought of it. Sadly, I do not think it resonates in the same way with other people. Plus it has the very best soundtracks of all the Pixars too.>> I'll defend it right alongside ya, buddy. I HATE NASCAR and most rednecks (Pierce, obviously excluded!). I do like cars, but am not obsessed (hell, I missed a chance to test some new pricey Caddies Saturday because after my Disney day trip, I didn't feel like driving to West Palm Beach) But I LOVED Cars. I know part of it ... a huge part of it ... is the road trip/Route 66 nostalgia and being old enough to recall a time when we couldn't drive I-95 straight down to FLA on my earliest visits to WDW and the state ... how vast stretches hadn't been completed and we'd have to drive on old US 301 (kinda like the east coast version of US 66) ... so much has been lost in our zest to get places quicker ... no one stops along the way anymore. I found that quite poignant. But the film is also a lot of fun ... the characters are enjoyable from Doc to Lightning to Mater to Sally (Bonnie Hunt is great in anything!) I don't get the hate on the film. It may not be Pixar's best, but it is wonderful. And I am looking forward to Carsland, although I still yearn for a real Rte 66 type area paying homage to the California Car Culture ... something that SHOULD have been part of DCA 1.0. Life is a highway, after all!
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Ya, cause toys coming to life, bugs finding warriors, and an old guy flying his house with balloons are so lifelike and realistic ;-)
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo 108 was in response to 104 >>>And I am looking forward to Carsland, although I still yearn for a real Rte 66 type area paying homage to the California Car Culture ... something that SHOULD have been part of DCA 1.0.<<< I cannot disagree. Indeed I would prefer a more realistic approach to car culture than a toon one at DCA. However, to knit pick, the Pink Dino, Corn Dog Castle etc. was DCA 1.0's nod to Route 66. Could be worse though, at the Santa Fe in Disneyland Paris, they have ripped Clint Eastwood (a subtle nod to Europe as most of his westerns were made in Spain) off of the drive in Screen and put a Cars one up (the same graphic that was in front of Studio 1 at WDSP for ages). Also they have put Cars bedspreads in the hotel as well. But yes, I think there is a lot of heart in Cars, with all the characters discovering things about themselves.
Originally Posted By leemac <<And I am looking forward to Carsland, although I still yearn for a real Rte 66 type area paying homage to the California Car Culture ... something that SHOULD have been part of DCA 1.0.>> Although not part of DCA 1.0 Kevin Rafferty came up with an incredible Route 66 concept for DCA - it was probably the best pitch I've ever seen - and Lasseter killed it as he wanted Radiator Springs intact - he wasn't prepared to compromise on bringing the movie to life in DCA. It could have worked as a hybrid between the two worlds but Lasseter just wasn't interested. A terrible shame but it is typical John - he can't see beyond his own product. Count me as another Cars hater - I truly loathe the movie. It is the only Disney animated movie that I've only seen once - and I have no intention of watching it again. I just can't understand what there is to like about it.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Count me as another Cars hater - I truly loathe the movie. It is the only Disney animated movie that I've only seen once - and I have no intention of watching it again. I just can't understand what there is to like about it.<<< I would blame Owen Wilson and The Cable Guy for that... They make the characterization pretty unbearable. But the story is nice. I just dislike the acting.
Originally Posted By MousDad Cars' biggest flaw is that there is too much going on. It's biggest strength is the nostalgia storyline. It's just a different animal than Up or Wall*E. They achieve success through cinematic craftsmanship at the highest level. Cars achieved it through larger than life commercial appeal.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo >>>Stolen though. <<< Hmmm: Snow White Pinocchio Song of the South Robin Hood Sword in the Stone Jungle Book Lion King Beauty and the Beast Tangled Gnomeo and Juliette etc. None of those were ;-)
Originally Posted By leemac <<None of those were ;-)>> Big difference between those examples (that are appropriately credited) and Cars. I'm sure Neil Shulman would love some royalties for the story to Cars.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<Although not part of DCA 1.0 Kevin Rafferty came up with an incredible Route 66 concept for DCA - it was probably the best pitch I've ever seen - and Lasseter killed it as he wanted Radiator Springs intact - he wasn't prepared to compromise on bringing the movie to life in DCA. It could have worked as a hybrid between the two worlds but Lasseter just wasn't interested. A terrible shame but it is typical John - he can't see beyond his own product.>> Yea. I've gotten this feeling from Lasseter as time has gone on. Not surprised to hear it at all. It stinks to mourn original ideas like this.
Originally Posted By Manfried Lasseter sticks to his guns for Cars Land and he gets lambasted for it. Why? Because he's not one of the celebrity Imagineers like Rafferty or the others. The film was very good. Some people have different tastes. So that's fine for leemac. But as to those who are lambasting the movie without having seen it? Nope, doesn't cut it.
