Originally Posted By MPierce >> did make a comment to my companion as we were exiting about 'when we next see this President Obama will be in here' and got the dirtiest look from some 10-year-old little blonde twit who had obviously been listening to some not nice relatives spew their feelings. It was magical! << I guess I don't even get a couple of weeks rest. Please explain why this 10 year old BLONDE little girl is a twit. Are the little children seen at Obama rallys all little twits reguardless of their hair color?. A unbias political person like yourself shouldn't take such offense. You should be proud of this little twit for taking a political stance even if it is different from yours. Are the relatives that said not very nice things about McCain while praising Obama around their children not very nice people? Are the people disagreeing with my feelings on something not very nice? When does the madness end, so we can all get back to just being Americans. We are all in the same sinking boat together, and if we all don't bail together, and row together we will remain dead in the water until we finally sink! I do agree that no sitting President should be given a speaking part. That could lead to some very unpleasant things happening at a Disney Park. By the way do you remember the disgusting political comment that was made over on WDWmagic, and who made it. That thing got raked over the coals by the moderator so bad I can't figure it all out. I came in to late, and missed all the fun.
Originally Posted By NikkiLOVESMickey ^^^^^Of course you do realize, MPierce, that anyone who doesn't sing the praises of Obama without question is an idiot. Last week, a co-worker and I made the mistake of saying that, regardless of who was elected, it wouldn't make a huge difference (and I still believe that). I got the dirtiest looks from people in the lounge. I didn't even say anything bad about EITHER candidate, but you'd swear I'd blasphemed in front of the Pope himself.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo >>>Last week, a co-worker and I made the mistake of saying that, regardless of who was elected, it wouldn't make a huge difference (and I still believe that). <<< I hope that's not what you teach your students.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros Well, from what I've been told, Obama is actually the Second Coming, so it turns out that it really does make a difference. If you thought Jesus could get things accomplished, just wait for the next for years! It also turns out that most of the folks who say that aren't religious in the first place (many are anti-religion), so that title doesn't really seem like theirs to give away...it's kind of like a bunch of Chinese folks giving away the Miss America award...
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Maybe it was cheap, but I felt it necessary. As someone who works in government, I have to believe I make a difference, otherwise I have sacrificed time away from my family for nothing. Also kids need to learn how important voting and civics are. People have died for their rights. Pedagogues (who are paid by the politicians - ok, civil servants) have to set a good example.
Originally Posted By leobloom Why has post 13 not been removed? Spreading misinformation on a Disney forum isn't classy. (Especially when the misinformation is characterized by thinly-veiled racism.) Doobie? Admins?
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Also kids need to learn how important voting and civics are. People have died for their rights. << Those are very real, and true facts. Many people also died for the freedom of speech. I think I know a little about Nikki's character. I bet when the situation calls for it she encourages her students to become invoved in the whole Democratic process. You wouldn't work in the type of enviroment that Nikki teaches in if you didn't believe in those things. That still doesn't mean you can't have a political discussion with an adult that expresses her view point. A view point I might add that was not bias politically. I love this Country. The American people have spoken, I accept that fact. It doesn't make me love my Country any less or a desire to live else where. I am also a realist, and know partisan politics will continue as usual.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Why has post 13 not been removed? Spreading misinformation on a Disney forum isn't classy. (Especially when the misinformation is characterized by thinly-veiled racism.) Doobie? Admins? << Racism is a very serious charge. Are you sure you want to make it.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Fair points and indeed everyone is entitled to their opinions thankfully. The point that surprised me is a lack of faith that either could make a difference. With a weak leader, I could agree. But as we have seen throughout history, a strong leader can and does make all the difference. Is the assertion here that neither candidate is strong, or that no one person can make a difference? If the former, I can kind of live with that. If the second, I hope people that hold this view are wrong. Otherwise why should any of us bother?
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<I guess I don't even get a couple of weeks rest.>> Take a rest. Go to WDW. Trust me, they need all the business they can get these days! <<Please explain why this 10 year old BLONDE little girl is a twit.>> Honestly, it's because of the vibe she gave off. (You know how in life sometimes you just have to be there?) Well, what I was getting was something that was very ugly. And it scares me that people pass on hatreds and prejudices to children, sometimes overtly, sometimes in ways they don't even realize. But she was a twit! <<Are the little children seen at Obama rallys all little twits reguardless of their hair color?. A unbias political person like yourself shouldn't take such offense.>> Who ever said I was an unbiased spirit? We all have biases ... especially when it comes to politics. Hopefully, that is changing. <<You should be proud of this little twit for taking a political stance even if it is different from yours.>> Well, to be blunt I took her reaction to be one of racism. Could I be wrong? Yeah, but I don't think so. I'm a pretty good reader of people. <<Are the relatives that said not very nice things about McCain while praising Obama around their children not very nice people? Are the people disagreeing with my feelings on something not very nice? When does the madness end, so we can all get back to just being Americans. We are all in the same sinking boat together, and if we all don't bail together, and row together we will remain dead in the water until we finally sink! >> Good question. I dunno. I feel a whole lot more hopeful today than I did 24 hours ago. I think a major fundamental shift happened last night. I also think we regained a whole lot of respect around the world and that's very important. <<I do agree that no sitting President should be given a speaking part. That could lead to some very unpleasant things happening at a Disney Park.>> C'mon, MPierce, you and I both know that there have likely been some very ugly incidents at HoP over the past two presidencies (and especially the past 2-3 years). I would bet my life savings (or what's left) that there have been fistfights in HoP on more than one occassion. <<By the way do you remember the disgusting political comment that was made over on WDWmagic, and who made it. That thing got raked over the coals by the moderator so bad I can't figure it all out. I came in to late, and missed all the fun.>> It was dumb. It was basically someone using the 'F' word with dots between the letters. It wasn't even in any real putdown context. Likely a dumb kid. But who knows? Maybe it was Sarah Palin or Hillary?
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Of course you do realize, MPierce, that anyone who doesn't sing the praises of Obama without question is an idiot.>> Really? I didn't get that memo. <<Last week, a co-worker and I made the mistake of saying that, regardless of who was elected, it wouldn't make a huge difference (and I still believe that). I got the dirtiest looks from people in the lounge. I didn't even say anything bad about EITHER candidate, but you'd swear I'd blasphemed in front of the Pope himself.>> Well, Nikki, even though I absolutely disagree with your point about not making a big difference, I understand what you are saying about the dirty looks. Apparently in a country founded on things like free speech and the ability to criticize our leaders in public it has become very uncool to do just that (no matter what views you espouse) ... people seem to be afraid to speak out (although to be fair there may be language in the Patriot Act that took our right away) and when you talk politics (even at dinner with your family) you do get dirty looks. That 'tude needs to change regardless on who you voted for yesterday and what you political leanings are!
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Well, from what I've been told, Obama is actually the Second Coming, so it turns out that it really does make a difference. If you thought Jesus could get things accomplished, just wait for the next for years!>> Actually, I thought Jesus was in the White House the last eight years (at least that's what the religious right would have had you believe) and I think Jesus (my lawnboy) accomplished more.
Originally Posted By leobloom Yes, post 13 represents THINLY-VEILED RACISM. Especially since Obama IS NOT A KENYAN. Or do you not believe that, MPierce?
Originally Posted By barboy ///Why has post 13 not been removed? Spreading misinformation on a Disney forum isn't classy. (Especially when the misinformation is characterized by thinly-veiled racism.)/// Looking to silence views is even less classy. And how is that 'racism'? ---- I'd love to hear your argument if you have one.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros "And it scares me that people pass on hatreds and prejudices to children...But she was a twit!" I'm certainly glad that you're not trying to pass any hatreds or prejudices on yourself. That would be mighty embarassing... "although to be fair there may be language in the Patriot Act that took our right away" Not to turn this into a World Events thread, but that's simply not true, and you know it. I'm really glad that you're above spreading misinformation.
Originally Posted By leobloom Barboy, you wouldnt want to silence mistruths? You would've made a great member of the Bush administration. I'll answer your question with a question: Why would someone call Obama a Kenyan when it's decidedly not true? There's your answer.
Originally Posted By NikkiLOVESMickey MPierce, as we all know davewasbaloo sees himself fit to judge my character as a teacher based on some postings on a Disney message board. He's never met me, exchanged e-mails with me, or had any communication with me outside of what I post on this board. He judges my professionalism based on a message board and still feels comfortable calling himself a professional. As such, I won't even bother to justify his cheap comment to me with a response. However, it's impossible for one man (or woman) to make a sweeping change of government in the US. The system of checks and balances was set up to keep one individual from gaining such power. To allow any one person to have such power would be akin to setting up a dictatorship. The way some of you have fallen in love with the man, however, I wouldn't be surprised if any of you were willing to toss out the Constitution and give him carte blanche. Now, Obama and the new Democratic majority in Congress could well make some sweeping changes TOGETHER, but Obama cannot do it on his own. The Constitution won't allow it.
Originally Posted By RockyMtnMinnie >>>The way some of you have fallen in love with the man, however, I wouldn't be surprised if any of you were willing to toss out the Constitution and give him carte blanche.<<< I'm sorry, but you're making the same generalized judgements of people here that in the prior paragraph you complain of others making of you. I don't agree with any attacks on your professionism to the same extent that I don't agree with the attacks on people's choice in political candidates.
Originally Posted By NikkiLOVESMickey ^^^^^I said some, and there are SOME who think he is the answer to all of this country's ills. At work this morning people were screaming in the halls and saying, "Everything's going to be all right now." Based on what? Campaign promises? It's a lot less damaging to make a comment on someone's political beliefs (which they've shared with the world on the internet) than to make a comment on someone's professional abilities based on comments made on a DISNEY message board. Why don't I talk about your professional abilities based on your political beliefs and see how YOU like it.
