Originally Posted By Goofyernmost RoadTrip, I somehow feel that I started this idiotic exchange. It is mind boggling to me that someone that gets so totally righteous and emotional about somethings has absolutely no ability to have any feelings for anyone else. I never thought what you were feeling was out of line but I did feel the urge to explain that things, in my opinion, are no worse then they were years ago. I hoped to put the events of recent times into perspective so that maybe you wouldn't feel so bad about it. I am sorry. You certainly have the right to feel anyway you want about whatever you want. Still I hope you are feeling better.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost >>>It is mind boggling to me that someone that gets so totally righteous and emotional about somethings has absolutely no ability to have any feelings for anyone else.<<< I put that in the wrong paragraph. It was not referring to you but to another poster. I need to be more careful when I post.
Originally Posted By jonvn Assuming you mean me, I have feelings for other people. People tend to read a lot into my posts that are not actually there.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<People tend to read a lot into my posts that are not actually there.>> There are a lot of things in your posts that you may not realize are there; or at least don't understand the impact they will have.
Originally Posted By jonvn That may be. But unless you want to be...oh...out of touch...perhaps you should realize that, and that you are taking offense where none was intended.
Originally Posted By Inspector 57 <<People tend to read a lot into my posts that are not actually there.>> No, jonvyn, take some responsibility. You post a lot of offensive and attacking s***. Which is a tragedy, because it only serves to undermine the other too-rare and refreshing points of view you bring to World Events. Trippy, I know what you mean. I feel your pain. I agree with those who have posted that other bad things have happened in the past and those who have said that we need to translate our feelings into actions. But that doesn't make your "lost" feeling any less legitimate. Thanks for starting this thread. I think a lot of us can relate to your feelings. I hope that we will be able to apply a sense of "certainty" to more aspects of our lives in the future.
Originally Posted By jonvn "No, jonvyn, take some responsibility." No. Not until everyone else does. Otherwise I'm really uninterested in lectures from people who engage in the exact sort of behavior as they accuse me of doing.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad <<<What has happened to this country? We have turned from being a nation of people able to do things into a bunch of micturating cry babies. Steel yourself up, and do something about the situation. Don't sit there and bemoan how awful it is for you. It's a heck of a lot more awful for those people who actually lost someone.>>> Hummm...how to get around the ADMIN here... (scrathces head) Some people post to the contrary of everything. No matter what the topic is, no matter what is said, there are some people (not necessarily the person that posted the quote above) that just have to be contrary in all things. I feel sorry for people like that because in my opinion they will never be truly happy, they are too busy being contrary.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad <<<Well, maybe I'm in a bit of a bad mood, given the 17 kids topic.>>> Well said jonvn! You should be able to spot this situation when it happens, being you are usually om the other side of it yourself.
Originally Posted By jonvn "Some people post to the contrary of everything." I don't do that. I just have different opinions. I am willing to express them. Sometimes people will agree with me, sometimes not. I generally don't hold grudges, you can ask Mr. X about it. Sometimes I agree with him, sometimes not, and not rather vehemently. If you are a strongly religious person, for example, you're going to not get a lot of agreement out of me on things. I just don't feel that way. If you have 17 kids, I'm going to state I think that's deplorable, and why. If you say something I agree with, I'll agree with you. You just have to do that first. "You should be able to spot this situation when it happens" I honestly try to not engage people personally in these conversations, but don't always walk away when it starts. That is something I should try to do more of, but it's extremely difficult when somoene is saying offensive things about you. I feel the need to respond. Usually, the thing is to let it go, and let the other person feel and look like an idiot for saying such things, instead, I pull out the big verbal howitzer and people end up forgetting why I got annoyed in the first place. Oh well.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<If you say something I agree with, I'll agree with you. You just have to do that first.>> Well that's pretty darned big of you!! LOL ;-)
Originally Posted By BeautysBeast Sport Goofy i drove the sunshine skyway this morning and was thinking bout both the skyway disaster and the bridge collapse in Minn.There was a coast guard helicopter hoovering near the bridge tho so was wondering if someone had jumped.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad <<<It is mind boggling to me that someone that gets so totally righteous and emotional about somethings has absolutely no ability to have any feelings for anyone else.>>> This is XACTLY the way you are behaving jonvn. You talk all about your concern for the children in the Dugger family and yet you will not even allow someone to state how they FEEL on a post on a message board? And you expect me to believe that you are GENUINELY concerned with the children of someone you have never even met? Rediculous. You use a sledge hammer to swat flies. Take your own advice.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad ^ ^ ^ ooops sorry jonvn, you didn't say that. I apologize for placing you with the wrong quote, but the rest of the pst stands. You have no concern for the feelings of people on this board, yet you sure do love and care about those Duggers!
Originally Posted By DVC_dad Okay okay everyone has a right to state their opinion and then deal with what comes back to them from it.
Originally Posted By jonvn "and yet you will not even allow someone to state how they FEEL on a post on a message board?" How on earth am I not "allowing" you to say what you want? YOu say what you want, and you get a response. I say what I want, and I get a response. "You have no concern for the feelings of people on this board, yet you sure do love and care about those Duggers!" I certainly do have concern for the feelings of others on this board. That is ridiculous. And frankly, I don't really care about the Duggers that much. I do care about children in general. But I'm not about to tromp over to wherever they live with a picket sign. I'm going to state what I think about the situation and people like them. If you don't like how I feel, that's really kind of tough. Their behavior is amoral as far as I am concerned and they should be called on it. "everyone has a right to state their opinion and then deal with what comes back to them from it." That's exactly right. I'm sorry if my opinion is in opposition to yours, but that's how life is. Most people cloak themselves and surround themselves with others who feel like they do. Our society has gone to one where no one is able to say anything controversial without being afraid of offending someone. I'm not generally like that. I try to be polite, but I'm not going to hide my ideas on issues simply for the convenience of those who disagree.
Originally Posted By jonvn "Most people cloak themselves and surround themselves with others who feel like they do." I didn't finish this. The next sentence should have said "But here, there are people who do not all think alike and have varying viewpoints. It is often uncomfortable to have the idea of strongly opposing views presented, where otherwise a person is generally desirous of having their life views constantly reaffirmed."
