Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< I dont think that ONE party has a monopoly on all of the good ideas, I just agree with the Republican phylosophy on government and disagree with the Democrats who want us to look for ma and pa government for all of the answers to lifes problems. >>> With this I agree completely. When I signed up to be a Republican, one of the major reasons was for their philosophy on the role of government, especially the federal government. Two of the mantras that I really appreciated were "fiscal conservatism" and "limited scope of government." But both appear to have gone out the window. First, let's look at the objective measures: - The national debt is at a record high. - The annual budget deficit is at a record high. And the sad part is that not all of this can be attributed to national defense issues. So even if you accept that all that we are spending on the war in Iraq and related costs is necessary (which I do not), you still don't have a full picture of the problem. Then there are all sorts of secondary factors that might be consdidered more subjective. It seems that the faction currently in control of the Republican party has totally abandoned the notions of fiscal conservatism and limited scope of government. It seems to me that they have other goals in mind, such as using the gov't as an organ to promote their social agenda (one faction) and re-work the worldwide geo-political landscape to meet their worldview (another faction). It was simply astounding to me that in the 2004 election, the Republicans trotted out the well-worn mantra of "the Democrats believe in big government and will spend us into a fiscal crisis." Hello? Bueller? Bueller? Is anyone home? Is anyone paying attention?
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh Yes, we are. And despite the faults of the Republican party, we don't see the Democrats offering anything better. In fact, their positions, when they're brave enought to take them, are much worse.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 < It was simply astounding to me that in the 2004 election, the Republicans trotted out the well-worn mantra of "the Democrats believe in big government and will spend us into a fiscal crisis." Hello? Bueller? Bueller? Is anyone home? Is anyone paying attention?> More and more people are. Witness Bush's approval ratings, and the double-digit lead Democrats have when the question "who would you like to control Congress" is asked.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Witness Bush's approval ratings, and the double-digit lead Democrats have when the question "who would you like to control Congress" is asked.> The only time I've seen such a lead is when the poll asked that question of twice as many Democrats as they did Republicans.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip ^^^ You're wrong. Source: <a href="http://www.pollingreport.com/2006.htm" target="_blank">http://www.pollingreport.com/2 006.htm</a>
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh I don't think so. Newsweek and CNN have both done that in past polls.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<I don't think so. Newsweek and CNN have both done that in past polls.>> Evidence please? I showed you mine... you show me yours.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh Do a google search on "newsweek" or "cnn" and "oversampling" and "polls". You'll find lots of examples.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan From my old friends at Rasmussen Reports.com: >>Just 25% of Americans say the U.S. is generally heading in the right direction these days. A Rasmussen Reports poll found that 66% believe that the nation has gotten off on the wrong track. On Election Day last year, 43% of Likely Voters believed the country was heading in the right direction.<< Those are numbers that the White House and Democrat challengers ought to be concernedf about. Frankly, I don't think either party has much of a clue right now, except in how to attack and point fingers. With runaway debt when the GOP is running the show, why not go ahead and elect a tax & spender? We have a spender not willing to raise taxes to cover those costs -- which essentially puts all of the excess on a credit card. Fiscal conservatives, where are you? Why no outrage over that? Why is it okay for politicians to spend like an insane person as long as there's an (R) after the name?
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Fiscal conservatives, where are you? Why no outrage over that? Why is it okay for politicians to spend like an insane person as long as there's an (R) after the name?> Because we have no alternatives. There's certainly nobody in the Democrat party saying we should cut federal spending.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>There's certainly nobody in the Democrat party saying we should cut federal spending.<< It isn't insane to spend money that you have. It is insane to spend money that you don't have and to keep borrowing more and more.
Originally Posted By itsme >>Fiscal conservatives, where are you? Why no outrage over that? Why is it okay for politicians to spend like an insane person as long as there's an (R) after the name? ------- This is why i didnt vote for him last time, Funny how that got me labeled a "lib" cause i dared to go against who the GOP said i vote for. People today need to be told what to do and think and dont you dare go against what the party says or your a traitor. I say vote IN a democrat{they cant spend any worse}, By continuing to vote for "your side" just cause they are your side does nothing but give them a false sense. Let them be reminded of what its like on the outside looking in then maybe they would realize that they are drunk with power and get back to being what they claim to be. This country is far to great to destroyed by someone from the other side being elected, anyone who says different is a slave to their party and not the patriotic American they claim to be.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <It isn't insane to spend money that you have. It is insane to spend money that you don't have and to keep borrowing more and more.> But the Republicans try to make a miniscule cut, and the Democrats claim it's the end of the world.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Because we have no alternatives.<< Really? There are no fiscal conservatives left in the entire GOP? I'm sorry to hear that.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>But the Republicans try to make a miniscule cut, and the Democrats claim it's the end of the world.<< You do realize, of course, that the the house and senate and white house are currently in GOP control? What's stopping them from spending prudently?
Originally Posted By woody "What's stopping them from spending prudently?" Liberalism is extremely pervasive that it influences the Republicans. Too much liberalism is the problem.
