Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Really? There are no fiscal conservatives left in the entire GOP?> Of course there are, but they're not a majority in the Senate. And one would probably have a hard time winning the Presidency, since they wouldn't gain enough of the moderate vote. <You do realize, of course, that the the house and senate and white house are currently in GOP control? What's stopping them from spending prudently?> Moderates and Democrat opposition.
Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder What is the state of politics in this country when we start lamenting moderates? Heaven forbid there's a group of people who look at each situation and decide on the facts, as opposed to blindly following a party line.
Originally Posted By itsme >>George Bush is a liberal? Oh, brother. Now I've heard everything. ---- I actually think he is very liberal.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<But the Republicans try to make a miniscule cut, and the Democrats claim it's the end of the world.>> You conservatives always seem to forget that there is another option. You can balance a budget by spending less or by collecting more. In a time of war it is damned hard to spend less; so it would make sense to collect more. Letting the Bush tax breaks for the wealthy die a well deserved death would be a good start.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh Then we wouldn't be true to our principals of smaller government, would we? The Federal government is way too big, and has taken on far too many tasks that should be done by state and local governments.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <What is the state of politics in this country when we start lamenting moderates? Heaven forbid there's a group of people who look at each situation and decide on the facts, as opposed to blindly following a party line.> Not only that, but I don't buy the argument that the moderates in the GOP are less fiscally prudent that the far-right or neocons. If anything, it seems to me the opposite is true. It's the moderates of both parties who tend to be a little more down-to-earth and inclined to do things like not spend more than you have.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Not spend more than you have.... not spend more than you have... hmmmm... Y'know, that's just crazy enough that it might work, Dabob!
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh It seems that, for both moderates and liberals, unfortunately, not spending more than you have means raising taxes so you have more to spend.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>It seems that, for both moderates and liberals, unfortunately, not spending more than you have means raising taxes so you have more to spend<< We're fighting a war that is costing us $200 million a day. Now is not the time to talk about tax cuts. We broke it, we have to pay for it.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan LOL! You're funny, Douglas. Again, I'll remind you that we are in a costly war, launched by this president, a Republican, we have a Republican house and senate, and yet, somehow, it's all the Democrats' fault. Surely you see the humor in that predicament?
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <It seems that, for both moderates and liberals, unfortunately, not spending more than you have means raising taxes so you have more to spend.> No, it means perhaps raising taxes to pay for what you've committed to spend. (And of course, the costs of the war are STILL not included in the "official" deficit, as far as I know).
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Again, I'll remind you that we are in a costly war, launched by this president, a Republican, we have a Republican house and senate, and yet, somehow, it's all the Democrats' fault.> I never said it's all the Democrats' fault. However, I'm not outraged solely at the Republicans when the Democrat solutions are worse. And we're at war because islamic terrorists attacked us and Saddam Hussein was a bad man who had to go before peace could come to the region.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>And we're at war because islamic terrorists attacked us and Saddam Hussein was a bad man who had to go before peace could come to the region. << In the future, they will call this great struggle the War of the Non Sequitor.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>I'm not outraged solely at the Republicans<< I'm glad to see that there's a sliver of a chance you're a little outraged at Republicans. That's a hopeful step. >>And we're at war because islamic terrorists attacked us<< You're thinking of Afghanistan.
Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder "It seems that, for both moderates and liberals, unfortunately, not spending more than you have means raising taxes so you have more to spend." This is rich. Forget about how it started, who lied and all of that, bottom line, we're in a war we started. Hussein didn't start it, no matter how resolutions he defied. Iraq never fired a shot. It's hard enough to balance a budget in peacetime. Here we are in a war of our choosing, not to mention having to deal with the hurricane costs et al, and someone is kvetching about raising taxes??? I'd say it HAS to happen, mainly because of thispesky little war.
