Originally Posted By fkurucz "Oh wait, forgot the ground shifted beneath my feet. I'm a liberal RINO now." Hey! That happened to me too! And just because I support "radical" programs like Social Security and food stamps.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "But I still call myself a TR/Eisenhower Republican. The debt to GDP ratio is a huge concern to me. But austerity is NOT the way to address it." in your view what do you think is the best way for your party to recover? Where does it go from here politically?
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>what do you think is the best way for your party to recover?<< It could start by not being at war with the middle class. It would also help to field "family values" candidates who don't grope, have mistresses or dump their spouses for a young, pretty thing.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "candidates who don't grope, have mistresses or dump their spouses for a young, pretty thing." Well on those points I think both parties are guilty
Originally Posted By fkurucz ^^ Just saying that if they are going to pretend to be morally superior, they need to behave that way.
Originally Posted By ecdc It's kinda fascinating, really. People say this site is uber-liberal. But really, it's that the right has gone so insane that sane people just look liberal.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "I've met SPP. I don't think he'd be the one who got pounded. I also don't think he'd even bother." Oh, you flatterer you. The check is in the mail. And you're right. Not worth the bother.
Originally Posted By EighthDwarf "People say this site is uber-liberal. But really, it's that the right has gone so insane that sane people just look liberal." You know what? I would've fought you on that a couple years ago. Now, I am right there with you. I have swung so far to the left of late(compared to where I was) that I am feely a little woozy. There used to be a semblance of logic within conservativism. That all went out the window when the tea-baggers took over.
Originally Posted By dshyates The GOP is dead. There is NO WAY for them to recover from the damage the box of rocks wing of their party has done to them. On top of waging war on gays, women, Latinos, African Americans, the middle class, government workers, and unions, they shut down the Government costing billions $$$$ and thousands of jobs. It's political terrorism. The only people that are left to vote for them are CEOs and Honey Boo Boos. Is it any wonder the GOP is trying desperately to outlaw the teaching of critical thinking in public schools?
Originally Posted By dshyates And what really cracks me up is they get sooo offended when we call them "low information voters" not realizing that that is as polite a way that we can come up with and still be accurate. Well, I am done being polite. They try at every chance to offend me so I will flat out call them stupid to their face (except while working).
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "There used to be a semblance of logic within conservativism. That all went out the window when the tea-baggers took over." No kidding. The Huffington Post is reporting that after explaining on his Facebook page why he allowed the House to vote yesterday to reopen the government Boner was slammed by a barrage of nasty criticism from his right-wing Facebook "friends". <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/16/john-boehner-facebook-shutdown_n_4111191.html?utm_source=concierge&utm_medium=onsite&utm_campaign=sailthru%2Bslider%2B">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...lider%2B</a> From the link: >>Despite the backing of House conservatives, many of Boehner's Facebook friends weren't too keen on his decision. Boehner's Facebook fans called him an "asshat," a "sellout," Obama's "patsy," a "weasel piece of garbage" and a "Jellyfish."<< And these are some of the nicer things people had to say.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Well, I am done being polite." I was done being nice a long time ago. The whole Prop 8 debate here in California is what did it for me.
Originally Posted By Tikiduck It is becoming more difficult to maintain an air of civility when talking with conservatives. I was at a store checkout in Oregon a while back and the checker made some boneheaded wisecrack about Obama right out of the blue. I guess she assumed I was just another good ol' boy. My simple reply was,"lady, you don't know what the hell your talking about."
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: The Republican party has been a mess for many years. But, then, so has the Democratic party. The upcoming 'Obamacare' disaster has already started to wake up liberals as to how misled they have been about it. When you hit people in their bank accounts and tax them for something which was originally lied about saying it wouldn't be a tax, well, that's a lie that's going to cost everyone no matter which party they belong to. There are just so many people in denial about the obvious mistakes their particular party of choice is making.
Originally Posted By tiggertoo <<In your view what do you think is the best way for your party to recover? Where does it go from here politically?>> The GOP's biggest enemy is its own delusion. The only way I see them breaking this pattern would be an unadulterated electoral beating, a la Barry Goldwater or George McGovern. Even then, breaking the delusion will be difficult because they have what they perceive to be a “mandate” given in Congressional elections; nevermind the fact that the House majority is wholly manufactured (see Ohio). IF they opened the primaries and reformed district elections to mitigate partisan gerrymandering, I think we might see a return to Republican sanity. In other words, the GOP is toast because I doubt the second prescription will ever occur.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip True. If Obama had pushed for TRUE nationalized single-payer healthcare we wouldn't be facing this mess. He held both houses of Congress then, he should have stood firm. Instead he capitulated and gave us a bastardized Republican version of health care reform which is a bloody mess. Apparently he's grown a pair during the past four years... too bad he didn't have them then.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>The upcoming 'Obamacare' disaster has already started to wake up liberals as to how misled they have been about it.<< Or it would have, if the GOP crazies hadn't hijacked the news spotlight away from it and onto themselves at the crucial moment.
Originally Posted By Yookeroo "True. If Obama had pushed for TRUE nationalized single-payer healthcare we wouldn't be facing this mess. He held both houses of Congress then, he should have stood firm. Instead he capitulated and gave us a bastardized Republican version of health care reform which is a bloody mess." National single payer had zero chance of passing. The bell we got took all kinds of arm twisting and still barely passed. Single payer had no chance.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>National single payer had zero chance of passing.<< Well he should have taken the country hostage until it did!
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "ORDDU: The Republican party has been a mess for many years. But, then, so has the Democratic party. The upcoming 'Obamacare' disaster has already started to wake up liberals as to how misled they have been about it. When you hit people in their bank accounts and tax them for something which was originally lied about saying it wouldn't be a tax, well, that's a lie that's going to cost everyone no matter which party they belong to. There are just so many people in denial about the obvious mistakes their particular party of choice is making.' And yet again, coming from someone who posts dialog as an imaginary character.
