Originally Posted By Dabob2 "National single payer had zero chance of passing. " That's probably right. But it should have been the starting position that you then compromise from. Instead, the Democrats essentially started with a compromise position that they then had to compromise on further. And then further. If you want to sell your used car for $3,000, you always start out by asking for 4, and then bargain back to 3. I remember being amazed that the Democrats STARTED OUT asking for 3 and having to bargain down to $1,500.
Originally Posted By Yookeroo "That's probably right. But it should have been the starting position that you then compromise from." Maybe. But since this is something that progressives have been fighting for for decades and decades, I'll give Obama a pass on this. Getting any kind of universal (well, almost) healthcare passed is a major victory.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Remember, too, Obama largely left it to Congress to write and get passed. Despite the fact that it became known as "Obamacare," and he did get behind it, it was much more a product of Congress than the White House. Still, even with its flaws and its too-modest scope, it does remain, as you and Biden might say, a BFD.
Originally Posted By ecdc Let's also remember, a lot of the focus is on the failed website (which is a problem and should probably result in some people getting fired). But the states that chose to do their own rollout, setting up their own exchanges, instead of letting the federal government do it for them, are having incredible success. It was reported today that in just two weeks, Oregon has seen a 10% drop in uninsured people. California's system seems to be humming along nicely, anecdotal stories from Orange County aside. This will take work. It'll take ironing out. But it also takes a teensy bit of optimism and not a bunch of douche nozzle teabaggers trying to sabotage it at every turn.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer The funniest thing about the GOP tantrum in the House is that it took all the attention away from the problems with the federal Obamacare website. If the GOP had just done their jobs then the news cycle would have been entirely focused on the problems with rolling out Obamacare.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>If the GOP had just done their jobs then the news cycle would have been entirely focused on the problems with rolling out Obamacare.<< I'm increasingly convinced that the GOP buys all of its planning materials from ACME.
Originally Posted By tiggertoo ...and the GOP has the maximum reasoning capacity of one Wile E. Coyote.
Originally Posted By Ivan55 We are not scared and we have richeousness on our side. We are still here and are not leaving because there is so much work to be done. we are Taxed Enough Already and WE WILL NOT BACK DOWN, EVER!!!!! EVERYBODY MUST VOTE. vote, vote, vote
Originally Posted By andyll >>EVERYBODY MUST VOTE. vote, vote, vote<< Well... except for the democrats since they are doing everything they can to limit voting.
Originally Posted By Ivan55 Can i ask a question without being made out to be the bad guy? Why do you want me to pay for people who dont work. Its called welfare and it is not fair to pay their section 8 and food. Im a painter so i am not the one you should be angry with. I dont spongebob off of others So GET OFF MY BACK
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Can i ask a question without being made out to be the bad guy? " It's too late teacup. You and your ignorant clan have demonstrated that anything reasonable said to you will fall on deaf ears. Do yourself a favor: put down the paintbrush, turn off Fox News, put down your superficial religious beliefs, and take a peek outside that bubble you're living in.
Originally Posted By Ivan55 See you at the polls and may the best form of government win. Its the american way, Pal so get use to it. This is why demoncrats in washington have swiched sides on your boy in the white house and his obamacare. I LOVE IT when we teach people like you a lesson. HaHAHa
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Originally Posted By RoadTrip Didn't work out so well for you last November, did it? HaHaHaHaHa back at ya!
Originally Posted By Ivan55 Really sorry to tell you this but reading the past to predict the future can be fullhady. it really can be. If you roll a dice 6 times and it comes up 1 then 2 then 3 then 4 then 5 and you bank that the next will be a 6 you are ilogical. That dice can be any of 6 numbers. TEA can be a force in the future so lets all vote and make it happen.
