Originally Posted By MPierce No one should be forced into the decision of taking a viable human life. That is an issue that needs to be dealt with. As long as there are doctors willing to perform the procedure, other institutes should not be forced into it when there is a moral conflict as hugh as this one. That is unless another human life is in jeopardy. The rest of you folks can argue about this, and stem cell reserch until you are blue in the face. That's all I have to say on the matter.
Originally Posted By CarolinaDisneyDad <<Not to worry, I got it legally>> Bobbelee, check the really fine print on your label.Even though you obtained it legally, it is against federal law to give medicine to anyone other than that for whom it was prescribed. LOL
Originally Posted By MPierce Lets see, we have unregister immigrents, and they get away with it. Why not unregistered Pharmacist.
Originally Posted By CarolinaDisneyDad <<But Spirit said the pharmacist wouldn't give him an antibiotic. Where's the explanation for that?>> We need more info here. Why was the pharmacist "not comfortable" filling the rx. Was there a problem with the dosage? The comfort rule is actually there for patient protection. It prevents a pharmacist from feeling obligated to fill something he thinks could be damaging for the patient. It gives the pharmacist the autonomy to make decisions based on his own expertise. But rather than just refuse to fill, the pharmacist should have offered to call your Dr. to clear up any confusion or issues regarding how the prescription was written. Just refusing the fill left you in the same situation at the next pharmacy.
Originally Posted By CarolinaDisneyDad <<Why not unregistered Pharmacist>> On the street that's called a drug dealer.
Originally Posted By CarolinaDisneyDad <<A person goes to school a long time to become a Pharmacist. They take a job knowing what that job entails. If they have moral issues about what they are required to do, they need to find another job, period>> <<As long as there are doctors willing to perform the procedure, other institutes should not be forced into it when there is a moral conflict as hugh as this one>> That's the tough call. Very few pharmacists have a problem with birth control pills. (none that I have ever met) But plan B gives a few the willies. I think this is better left up to the individual. Although some companies require it.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Spirit my friend you have the worse luck of anybody I know.>> It's not luck. It's being a good, moral guy and trying to do the right thing. It will get you (f word deleted) everytime. <<You Might be surprised at my opinion on this matter. A person goes to school a long time to become a Pharmacist. They take a job knowing what that job entails. If they have moral issues about what they are required to do, they need to find another job, period.>> Not really surprised. You do (all kidding aside) have a good head on your shoulders (but if you ever repeat this post I'll have Mrs. Pierce hit you on said head with a frying pan, though). It's common sense. You work for a major company in a public pharmacy and someone comes in with a legit prescription ... you fill it. Your MORALS mean absolutely nothing here. Only your job. You do it. That sneaky legislation that W pushed through that allows pharmicists leeway on anything they have 'moral objections' to needs to be overturned immediately by Obama. It is scary rightwing (no, actually, worse) policy that brings religion into the local pharmacy where it has NO place. None. And there is no argument in a democracy for other POV on the issue. <<I'm sure that members of most religious faiths visit the Pharmacy , and get all kinds of drugs, and forms of birth control without any moral condemnations from their church. If what you were referring to is the issue the Cathloic Church has with birth control that is an entirely different subject matter. I will not be so presumptuous as to tell one billion people that their religion is wrong. I leave the subject of what each person chooses to believe up to that individual.>> I never mentioned the above. But if I go into a pharmacy that isn't run by the Catholic church than I expect the man or woman to fill my prescription for any kind of birth control no matter what their personal feelings may be. We now have pharmacists that won't prescribe Accutane, without which I would likely be scarface now, because the gov says it now causes depression (funny how it prevented me from getting it by clearing by skin up as a teen when nothing else did anything and allowed me a normal social life) BUT the overiding issue is that if a woman who is pregnant takes it she requires an abortion because it causes damage to the fetus. I don't really want to get into a discussion about the A WORD (dramatic music here). I just want the government out of my business. The past eight years have all been about bigger govenrment, less individual freedoms and more ridiculous laws and regulations. I don't want to have to shout at a pharmacist who doesn't want to fill a new prescription written by my doctor that very day because I have four days meds left on my last prescription. And without saying what the meds in question are, they aren't anything heavy like what good, old Rush was hooked on. And this is all stuff of the last 3-4 years according to my family doc ... he says he gets 'at least 5-10 calls A DAY' from pharmacists questioning his prescriptions. I am sure this has nothing to do with the government keeping tabs on what drugs are being used by people and what docs are writing those scripts. Anyone who enjoys living in a free society should shudder at stuff like that.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<In my haste to express my opinions I forgot the Zinger. " It would seem you, and Rush Limbaugh have something in common Spirit". >> Brain? Nah. Heart? Nah. Soul? Nah. Rectum? OK ... we do have something in common. Except I have one while he is one!
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<We need more info here. Why was the pharmacist "not comfortable" filling the rx. Was there a problem with the dosage?>> This latest incident was because my doctor had given me a script for a common anti-biotic in November because it was cold and flu season and I thought I was coming down with something. I didn't get a chance to fill it as I was very busy for two days and by then I was fine. I started feeling poorly in January (less than two months after the prescription was written) and the pharmacist wouldn't fill it because she didn't feel comfortable with 'the time aspect' ... again, this was for a very basic anti-biotic. Not a drug that could be sold on the street. Nothing to alter moods for depressed people etc ... and she didn't feel comfortable. I yelled ... she looked uncomfortable ... I sensed a tasering in my future and said 'screw it, I'll get it elsewhere' and I did. This crap didn't happen EVER before the past few years. <<The comfort rule is actually there for patient protection. It prevents a pharmacist from feeling obligated to fill something he thinks could be damaging for the patient. It gives the pharmacist the autonomy to make decisions based on his own expertise.>> I couldn't disagree more. It's to cover their asses with the government if they decide to play doctor/God and not fill anything. I don't need a snot-nosed 26-year-old just out of pharmacy school telling me she doesn't feel comfortable.
Originally Posted By CarolinaDisneyDad <<It's common sense. You work for a major company in a public pharmacy and someone comes in with a legit prescription ... you fill it. Your MORALS mean absolutely nothing here. Only your job. You do it.>> So they do it against their better judgement. Something bad happens. The patient sues because they should have known better than to do this. Morals mean nothing in this job? Fine, next time the tablets get spilled on the floor just sweep them up and fill the next script with them. That pill that's just been out of date for a few months should still work well enough shouldn't it? I really hope you don't find your immoral pharmacist. A 2 month old antibiotic probably should have been filled. Like I said, if there was a question, call the dr. You had waited 2 months. Another half to 1 day to get a response from the dr. shouldn't matter.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> I just want the government out of my business. The past eight years have all been about bigger govenrment, less individual freedoms and more ridiculous laws and regulations. << Do you really think it's going to be any different now?
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Brain? Nah. Heart? Nah. Soul? Nah. Rectum? OK ... we do have something in common. Except I have one while he is one! << A very wealthy one.
Originally Posted By dshyates "Do you really think it's going to be any different now?" Yes. Yes I do.
Originally Posted By MPierce If I had to guess, I would say CDD has some close ties to the Pharmaceutical Industry.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Yes. Yes I do. << Good luck, because all I see is the same big political machine that's been in place forever.
Originally Posted By dshyates "more ridiculous laws and regulations" Dick Chaney is one of the largest shareholders in the Private Prison system. He makes money everytime someone is incarcerated. I believe that someone who stand to profit from political policy shouldn't be writing political policy.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 >> I just want the government out of my business. The past eight years have all been about bigger govenrment, less individual freedoms and more ridiculous laws and regulations. << <<Do you really think it's going to be any different now?>> I hope so, but who knows. The biggest difference between a month ago and today is that I believe we have intelligent compassionate leaders (who realize there's a world beyond our borders) at the very top of the command chain now. Ones with a grasp on reality. Ones who don't have ties to EVIL corporations like Haliburton and Blackwater and ExxonMobil. I don't know if anything will improve, but at least there are folks who realize the vastness of the problems we face ... the last group seemed high on pixie dust and very misplaced patriotic pride right to the end. We are a disaster right now as a nation and, no, it wasn't all the fault of the top guy (or even simply our elected officials) ... tens of millions had a hand in breaking this country ... but recognizing problems generally is the first step to solving them. I'm hoping for the best. Of course, I'm also hoping for an email stating that most of WDW's exec 'leadership' team has taken buyouts and are leaving immediately too!
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<If I had to guess, I would say CDD has some close ties to the Pharmaceutical Industry. >> I dunno and I like the dude, so I am tabling that end of the discussion on my end. I'm just stating yet again that a decade ago these type of things wouldn't be happening and patient care is absolutely not the main impetus behind these changes. It's more control on individuals in this country. For all those bigtime Republicans here, I got news for you -- if we dug Reagan up he wouldn't recognize what passes for his party these days.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 ^^Absolutely. Of course some of us free-minded, thinking Spirits believe the two-party system is one huge reason why this country continues to be WalMarted.
