Originally Posted By leobloom ^^Kilamanjaro Safari, the Great Movie Ride, and Backstage Tour? all require operators/actors for each vehicle. Living with the Land did too before they automated the spiel.
Originally Posted By mickeyboy43 "my thinking, and it was always leaking." (tail end of bobbelee's post) Not actually leaking. In the website, it explains how Florida state law mandates that any vessel that is taking on water not be able to sail. The water was from rain that came in, or from the overhead waterfall as you enter the cavern. The same ruse was used when Eisner came to check on WDW management's decision. They tossed a bucket of water in their, picked a bad sub, and a bad sub operator. I dunno though. I think it would be alot better as a 20 K ride with modern technology.
Originally Posted By mickeyboy43 "You may know the "real" reason it was targeted for closure (on both coasts) is because it was labor intensive. Since it required an operator for each vehicle, it had to go. I believe the only other attraction in the MK that is in the same category is Jungle Cruise, which they simply cannot remove. At DL, it is Jungle Cruise and Storybook Land, two attractions that are virtually untouchable. Fortunately, we had Nemo to save our submarines. Sorry that destructive forces prevailed in Florida." 20 K was in a bad state of disrepair before little nemo wandered along. And I like CoP. Its a really nice change of pace.
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 "Not actually leaking" OK Mickeyboy, not leaking, but "dripping" would have been the better word. During the whole time on it, one of my daughters got dripped on.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros But that's making the ride more interactive. Haven't you seen pictures of the Pixar Play Parade in DCA? The water makes you interact with it! It's the latest thing! (While that was sarcastic, I really did greatly enjoy the parade!)
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 ^^she got dripped on in '79, and she still crabs about it! Saw part of the DHS Pixar Parade in pix, but don't remember any interaction with water, is it only at DL? What was it?
Originally Posted By mickeyboy43 Not necesarily from bad subs though. From the overhead waterfall that wasnt diverted until the mid 80's.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>Bottom-line ...20K ws doomed. I can almost imagine a grid where they keep track of ancillary income per suare foot of property. 20K had to be at the bottom, truly 20K leagues down in a sea of red ink.<< Actually, you're not far off. One of the main reasons park management wanted 20K gone was for the cost per rider metric. Simply put, if you take the allocated daily cost to operate and maintain the attraction against the daily rider count you get this metric. 20K and Subs at DL had an astronomically high cost per rider. This wasn't a problem when these attractions were designed or operated because of the ticket system. The lethal combination for attractions with a high $/rider was when each attraction stopped being their own profit center with their own revenue streams and Disney brought in executives who preferred merchandise racks and wannabe off-off-Broadway productions.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>At the time it was the longest I'd ever waited for an MK ride (though I've exceeded it now during peak times.) At any rate, I was in line for over 90 minutes.<< RoadTrip, what year did you start visiting the parks, because a 90+ wait was never very unusual for whatever the E-tickets were of the era. >>On the other had, I've heard that after the opening crush, the new 20K at Disneyland has shown itself to be a big yawner.<< You would be in the minority then, RoadTrip. Have you been on it yet? Have you been around the park to hear people comment about or line-up for the attraction? >>I would guess that the Nemo ride at the Living Seas in Epcot is probably more popular than the Nemo subs at Disneyland.<< Another thing you would be wrong about. >>What can I say? It was a loser attraction then. It is a loser attraction now.<< I would be curious to know when you started visiting the parks regularly. Without a doubt, "to each their own", I am not trying to say your own reaction of the ride isn't fair. Just that it wasn't a loser attraction. It was MK's first E-ticket attraction and many people thought it was spectacular. It's problem was not in it's design but in it's upkeep and lack of updating/modernization. And it certainly isn't a loser out in DL. If anything, one might be able to make a case that it would have fit in very well in the MK's Fantasyland. Bring back something unique and high-energy. Lastly, from day-1 I have been a fan of the Nemo installation at The Living Seas.
Originally Posted By BeautysBeast I posted the obituary of the builder of the WDW subs in WDW section.
