Originally Posted By vbdad55 Not saying it didn;t win anything..but it surely is not near the top on searches for Disney Mission Space Awards or Disney Mission Space recognition....
Originally Posted By vbdad55 As for me, if I want any more near death experiences while in Florida -- I'll retake that ride from Vero Beach to Miami on 95 in a Hertz rental mini van.....that was enough for me
Originally Posted By ChiMike Mission Space is a failure in every sense of the word. And Disney knows it. Don't think there ARE MANY at Burbank who have to unfortunately say "I told you so". Mission Space is as complete an example as you can find which shows how badly some Disney decision markers misunderstood their own audience. I'm glad that many on here and at the parks enjoy it, but that enjoyment is simply not enough to offset the cost and trouble this addition has caused. It is a glorified Flight to the Moon that will only become more and more stale for years to come. Instead of building a POTC or ToT whose appeal would last for decades to come they spent MUCH MUCH MORE and got bupkis. AND THEN they turned around and built another (while far better) simulator 150 yards away.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 When HP pulls out from MS the failure will be complete. It was a mistake in my opinion also... Now I'm not saying that mistakes don't happen, but ones that cost this much really hurt. You can't spend that much money to end up with only negative press and walk on lines....
Originally Posted By ChiMike ughh. >>Don't think there ARE MANY at Burbank who have to unfortunately say "I told you so". << Don't underestimate how many people in Burbank (all of the SoCal locations for that matter) who have to unfortunately say "I told you so." -- DISCLAIMER, while I'm at it: I don't have any way of knowing which Disney, and ex-Disney folks like Sotto, are actually breaking politic and saying that. But I will tell you that from my first ride in Jan '04, I have been saying it as loud as I could. This is one attraction I unashamedly have a strong bias towards.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>You can't spend that much money to end up with only negative press and walk on lines....<< And while that was the outcome. An outcome that could be seen a mile away, even if the ride was a huge success IT was still a huge waste of money for something that would have a shorter shelf-life than Star Tours.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros I'm not saying that it is the most popular thing ever, but part of the reason for the walk-ons or the extremely short lines is that MS has a huge capacity. I have heard that it is between 2,400 and 3,000, which is somewhere between Pirates and Haunted Mansion. Those two attractions are known for, if nothing else, being some of the biggest people eaters ever made. If MS can cycle through that many people in an hour, then it is easy to keep the line moving and have a short wait.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost Man, it sure does take a lot to make you people happy. I also miss WoM and I think that it could have been incorporated with Test Track but, from what I understand, Horizons was having some structural problems and needed to go. On top of that, no one was riding it. Technologically speaking, Mission Space is awesome. I have ridden it several times and simply marval at its ability to trick the mind into thinking you are really in a space ship. On the other hand, I have never gotten sick either so my opinion is unclouded with that side effect. Most of the people that do not ride it, don't because of the bad press but the new tamer version should help that situation. Something for everyone, so to speak. Horizons to me, just so I don't appear "polyannish", was boring and I never could figure out what I was seeing in the much acclaimed ending. I tried every one of the options and, quite frankly, didn't see the big deal. The only redeeming quility it had for me was the orange smell by the orange grove. So is it better?...Is it worse?...all a matter of opinion. I'm split on those particular rides. World of Energy has been vastly improved and Soarin' is terrific, Living Seas always was "yawn" and always will be "yawn" but it has it's purpose. Wonders of Life could have been saved with a little upgrading but I was indifferent to it. There you have my Epcot opinions, some are good, some are bad, but all enjoyable in many ways. As soon as I find something in life that is perfect, I'll be sure to let you all know.
Originally Posted By ChiMike I agree. That's why I'd like to see (a pipedream) the ride counts. I wouldn't be surprised if Test Track still sees more visitors each day. M:S is not always running every centrifuge.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Horizons to me, just so I don't appear "polyannish", was boring and I never could figure out what I was seeing in the much acclaimed ending. I tried every one of the options and, quite frankly, didn't see the big deal. The only redeeming quility it had for me was the orange smell by the orange grove. < just posted this same sentiment on another thread -- Horizons was Ok the first few times, but really was boring for me too. WoM I thoroughly enjoyed though.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom I am probably among the few who actually enjoyed Horizons. I thought it was innovative and optimistic. It was THE continuation of CoP. What a perfect ride for the Park of the Future. Instead as mentioned above we have an expensive dressed up version of Mission to Mars. Ah well, you can't please everyone. Everyone wanted more thrill rides. And thats exactly what Disney built in EPCOT.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>Man, it sure does take a lot to make you people happy.<< It does?! I haven't read of one poster on here refusing to go back to Disney and spend more money. "Thank you sir may I have another!" >>I also miss WoM and I think that it could have been incorporated with Test Track but, from what I understand, Horizons was having some structural problems and needed to go. On top of that, no one was riding it.<< What does one have with the other? Just curious. To address Nikki in #95, I thought that the suits had addressed VBDad's mention of keeping WOM and adding TT. It was a short-lived thought that had to do with operations and sponsership. Looking back, not only might have been a good decision for the guests' enjoyment but it in fact might have been cheaper for them to have built a new structure for the TT ride and avoid the changeover problems that they experienced. Nevertheless, most at Disney are just fine with having a crowded Test Track with no WOM to maintain and operate. It was a short-lived, preliminary, what-if kind of idea. One that Arstogas a couple years back tried to embelish and blue sky with the rider staying in the same vehicle for both attractions. But that has nothing to do with Horizons condition. These were decisions made way before Horizons was the big black sheep. However, back to your comment Lewis, you may be successful in regurgitating the structual excuse tied to Horizons but you are incorrect in saying that Horizons saw no riders. Besides, HISTA and SGE show visible lines waiting to enter their respective areas. Does that mean Disney shouldn't re-evaluate those attractions? Does that mean those are wonderful attractions that should make the Top 7 things to do in WDW. Oh yeah, that's right, one of them already did. SGE is a must do, SSE is not. >>Technologically speaking, Mission Space is awesome. I have ridden it several times and simply marval at its ability to trick the mind into thinking you are really in a space ship. << I completely agree. >>Most of the people that do not ride it, don't because of the bad press but the new tamer version should help that situation. Something for everyone, so to speak. << Most people that I have conversed with have tried it BUT refuse to ride it again. THAT is the real problem Disney is trying to grapple with. Repeat visits is what really drives ride counts for the big E-Tickets. M:S should have taken some of the load off TT when it came to repeat visits and E-ticket crowds. It didn't. >>Horizons to me, just so I don't appear "polyannish", was boring and I never could figure out what I was seeing in the much acclaimed ending. I tried every one of the options and, quite frankly, didn't see the big deal. The only redeeming quility it had for me was the orange smell by the orange grove.<< Other than the fact that you really aren't breaking ranks to dislike Horizons, I can't say much else. It doesn't surprise me that you "couldn't see the big deal". Agreeing with the reasons why Disney felt Horizons was junk isn't shakin' the Pollyana appearance. >>World of Energy has been vastly improved and Soarin' is terrific<< I think you're talking about Universe of Energy. I agree with you. >>Wonders of Life could have been saved with a little upgrading but I was indifferent to it.<< Me too. But I don't think a little upgrading was going to do anything. Razing WoL is one removal I'm all for. >>There you have my Epcot opinions, some are good, some are bad, but all enjoyable in many ways. As soon as I find something in life that is perfect, I'll be sure to let you all know.<< Thanks for sharing. Good luck on finding something perfect. Maybe soon you'll realize that nothing is perfect and it's good to just hope for quality experiences.
Originally Posted By ChiMike Goofyernmost, let me apologize in advance for referencing you as Lewis. Typing too fast. I am sorry, I should be more careful.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: Of course thrill rides, alone, won't save a failing park. Just look what's happening with Magic Mountain out in California. With the current changes in management and Imagineering, at least California's Disney parks may be saved from those who don't know what most appeals to the masses.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost >>>>Man, it sure does take a lot to make you people happy.<< It does?! I haven't read of one poster on here refusing to go back to Disney and spend more money.<<<< Good grief, it was just a figure of speech. >>>>I also miss WoM and I think that it could have been incorporated with Test Track but, from what I understand, Horizons was having some structural problems and needed to go. On top of that, no one was riding it.<< What does one have with the other?<<<< Absolutely nothing, I was just talking about two attractions in one sentence. >>>>You are incorrect in saying that Horizons saw no riders.<<<< Well, I never saw any after 1995 or earlier it was always a walk on with most of the cars empty. Do I have the hard statistics? No! Just my observations. >>>>Besides, HISTA and SGE show visible lines waiting to enter their respective areas.<<<< OK, so now I will ask you...what does one have to do with the other. We weren't talking about HISTA or SGE. >>>>Horizons to me, just so I don't appear "polyannish", was boring and I never could figure out what I was seeing in the much acclaimed ending. I tried every one of the options and, quite frankly, didn't see the big deal. The only redeeming quality it had for me was the orange smell by the orange grove.<< It doesn't surprise me that you "couldn't see the big deal". Agreeing with the reasons why Disney felt Horizons was junk isn't shakin' the Pollyana appearance.<<<< What?? I didn't know and still don't know why Disney ditched it. And I don't care because I don't think it was that great an attraction to begin with. >>>>I think you're talking about Universe of Energy. I agree with you.<<<< Yes, that is what I meant, thank you. >>>>There you have my Epcot opinions, some are good, some are bad, but all enjoyable in many ways. As soon as I find something in life that is perfect, I'll be sure to let you all know.<< Thanks for sharing. Good luck on finding something perfect. Maybe soon you'll realize that nothing is perfect and it's good to just hope for quality experiences.<<<< Having a little trouble recognising sarcasm? I am 58 years old believe me I know nothing is perfect or even close to it. My comment was directed towards those that think everything has to be perfect or it is wrong. I do enjoy Disney and I am forgiving of a few minor flaws because until I become perfect I surely cannot expect others to be.
