Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder "If someone created God, then, by definition, God wouldn't be God, would He?' yeah, so then as I asked, who or WHAT created God. Something had to come from somewhere.
Originally Posted By cmpaley Here's a concept. God always was, is and will be. That's the thing. He's timeless, thus had no beginning and will have no end. I don't claim to understand it. That's why it's called a mystery.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip << Something had to come from somewhere.>> Nothing comes from nothing Nothing ever could So somewhere in my youth or childhood I must have done something good
Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder "God always was, is and will be. That's the thing. He's timeless, thus had no beginning and will have no end. I don't claim to understand it. That's why it's called a mystery." Well, I was aleady familiar with that line of thinking and was hoping someone had a bit more on the subject.
Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder << Something had to come from somewhere.>> Something in the way she moves me Come together right now over me He's a real nowhere man Ob la di ob la da life goes on bra
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <Nothing comes from nothing Nothing ever could So somewhere in my youth or childhood I must have done something good> Oooooh! What is Sound of Music. I'll take 'Obscure Musical Theatre Songs' for $800, please
Originally Posted By schoolsinger >>>Who or what created God? And who or what created whatever created God?<<< Those questions could be turned around. Who or what created the Big Bang? And who or what created whatever created the Big Bang?
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <I'll take 'Obscure Musical Theatre Songs' for $800, please> Even more obscure: I think that was the one song written for the movie, not in the theatrical version.
Originally Posted By JohnS1 "God always was, is and will be. That's the thing. He's timeless, thus had no beginning and will have no end. I don't claim to understand it. That's why it's called a mystery." I have always found it interesting that people inclined to disbelieve anything in the Bible will nevertheless use very similar language when asked to defend the Big Bang and other theories of creations. It is said that the universe expanded rapidly from a highly compressed primordial state, resulting in a decrease in density and temperature. Many types of elementary elements would have to have been present. SO, when asked where these elements came from, the answer is generally that "Elements making up the universe always have been here and always will be. They have no beginning and will have no end." Sound familiar? A good question to ask proponents of the Big Bang is whether, in order for there to be a big bang, wouldn't there have to have been a big banger? (-:
Originally Posted By cmpaley Actually, I tend to think that the "Big Bang" was the moment of creation and it works out perfectly. Remember, God is not limited to time like we are. For Him, time is meaningless. That's what makes Him so much more awesome than us.
Originally Posted By cmpaley After all, did not the Psalmist say, "The heavens declare the glory of God?"
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <Even more obscure: I think that was the one song written for the movie, not in the theatrical version.> Correct Dabob2! And now, for a chance at the Big Bonus Round and a brand new car... Which song, that appeared in the Broadway production of 'Sound of Music', did not appear in the movie? [insert Jeopardy! music here]
Originally Posted By ElKay cmpaley: "God always was, is and will be. That's the thing. He's timeless, thus had no beginning and will have no end. I don't claim to understand it. That's why it's called a mystery." So you just proved the argument against including ID into science classes. Since God's existance cannot be proved, outside of religion, the whole concept of ID is NOT a part of science. The many fields of science tries to fathom the unknown by collecting physical evidence and examining differing hypotheses. It's just waaaay too easy to end EVERY argument by saying that God is responisble for EVERYTHING. That sort of thinking ended in the 14th century with the dawning of the Renaissance in Europe. I think it is so funny that Christian conservatives rail at Muslims who are rejecting Western ideas because it conflicts with their supposed narrow minded theology, but in the area of science many same conservatives are pushing for rejecting 150 years of scientific investigation of the theory or evolution because it runs counter with their own theology. Does anyone else see a pattern?
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <Does anyone else see a pattern?> oooh! ooooh! I see it! I see it!
Originally Posted By JohnS1 I assume you mean that in many ways, conservative Christians have a lot in common with conservative Muslims. Sure, they are both very much alike in their strong faith, and their dislike of anyone trying to take that faith from them.
Originally Posted By ElKay Err, not quite. More like both fundamentalists religions reject intellectual thought, replacing it with mysticsm and dogma.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA Anyone want to take a stab at the 'Sound of Music' song? It was in the live show? Not in the movie... Well, hey, no one's talking about Intelligent Design anymore...
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Anyone want to take a stab at the 'Sound of Music' song? It was in the live show? Not in the movie...>> 'How Can Love Survive’? I LOVE The Sound of Music and I'm not even gay (I can't abide Barbara Streisand though...).
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA Correct RoadTrip! I was also thinking of another song from the Broadway album of 'Sound of Music' 'A bell is no bell 'til you ring it A song is no song 'til you sing it And love in your heart wasn't put there to stay Love isn't love 'til you give it away' Does that ring a bell? so to speak...
