Originally Posted By schoolsinger Here is an observation I made about the conflict between Creationism and Evolutionism. Most of the evidence for the big bang and evolution are scientific. At the same time they have no evidence from historical documents. On the other hand, creationism has little scientific evidence. But they have a lot of evidence from historical documents. The creationists think the evolutionists use bad science, and evolutionists think the historic documents creationists use are garbage.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Bottom line... Who really gives a crap? My faith in God is unaffected no matter what the circumstances and timeline of creation were. If your faith is not as strong, I suggest you do something to grow stronger in your faith.
Originally Posted By DlandDug "An Ordinary Couple" and "No Way to Stop It" were also in the stage version , but not in the film.
Originally Posted By schoolsinger If neither evolution, intelligent design, nor any other theory of origins is taught in public schools, no one is offended. That way atheists parents don’t do not have to worry about their kids being converted, and Christian parents don’t have to worry about their kids being converted at public schools. Both sides win.
Originally Posted By itsme >>For anyone knows, God could be Goddess, who's to say? ------- Could be woman, Think about it. A women is born with "x" amount of eggs to reproduce that will be droped over a period of time. A mans is endless, which it needs to be cause otherwise men would be out by 18. Just a thought, hope its clean enough.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <If neither evolution, intelligent design, nor any other theory of origins is taught in public schools, no one is offended. > Except that there are tenets of evolution that have been observed and proven to just about everyone's satisfaction, that have nothing to do with the origin of all life.
Originally Posted By DlandDug And there are tenets of Intelligent Design that have been observed and proven to just about everyone's satisfaction, that have nothing to do with the origin of all life. Nu?
Originally Posted By DlandDug Breeding. Genetic engineering. Architecture. The "creation" af any ordered system by a higher intelligence. You know... Intelligent design.
Originally Posted By DlandDug Nu... <a href="http://munuviana.mu.nu/archives/001389.html" target="_blank">http://munuviana.mu.nu/archive s/001389.html</a> Yus??? <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yus" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y us</a>
Originally Posted By cmpaley >>For anyone knows, God could be Goddess, who's to say?<< Actually, considering the nature of God, He has no gender per se, but He has chosen to reveal Himself as Father, so we refer to Him as He.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <Breeding. Genetic engineering. Architecture.> All things done by humans, and their own fields of study. <The "creation" af any ordered system by a higher intelligence. You know... Intelligent design.> But can ID, as applied to "how species came to be how they are" via an intelligence other than human, stand up to the scientific method? Not that I've seen. That's what we're talking about. If it can't, then it doesn't belong in science class.
Originally Posted By ecdc "But they have a lot of evidence from historical documents." Huh? Creationism has evidence from "historical" documents? I'll assume you're referring to the Bible. Someone writing something down doesn't exactly count as evidence. Based on your logic, Darwin's book definitely qualifies as historical evidence. As for your "evidence" in the Bible, go read Richard Elliot Freedman's "Who Wrote the Bible," a wonderful summary of the authorship of the Old Testament. (Hint: It ain't Moses)
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 Wow, this topic is so fascinating! The best thing I've read on WE in a while!
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>Someone writing something down doesn't exactly count as evidence.<< Try that line in a court of law. According to this line of reasoning, there is no reason to believe in the following: Julius Caesar The Voyages of Columbus The first commercially successfull train engine The wheat harvest of 1975 Shakespeare's Globe Theater The only evidence for any of these is in the form of "something written down." So don't be so quick to dismiss historical documents as evidence.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Then it leads to the next question: Is the Bible a factual historical record?
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>Then it leads to the next question: Is the Bible a factual historical record?<< Always a good question. In any areas that are verifiable as history or geography, the Bible has proven accurate. Indeed, some things have been verified only in recent years that have been in the Bible all along. (The existence of Pontius Pilate, for example, was in dispute for centuries until an inscription with his name was discovered in the ruins of Caesaria.) Most significantly, there is nothing in the scripture that is in direct conflict with known history or geography. In matters of faith, of course, all bets are off. But at least the book doesn't fudge on what can be proven.
Originally Posted By jdub >>If neither evolution, intelligent design, nor any other theory of origins is taught in public schools, no one is offended. That way atheists parents don’t do not have to worry about their kids being converted, and Christian parents don’t have to worry about their kids being converted at public schools. Both sides win. << YEAH! And get rid of math & spelling while you're at it!
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 "(The existence of Pontius Pilate, for example, was in dispute for centuries until an inscription with his name was discovered in the ruins of Caesaria.) Most significantly, there is nothing in the scripture that is in direct conflict with known history or geography." Let's just hope that's not a fake like the other Biblical "artifacts" found in the last 20 years that have been proven to be manufactured. Pretty sad that a collector would go to those lenghts to screw with people's faith and make these things like a tablet from Solomon's temple, the "coffin" of James brother of Jesus. Ok, that sounds kinf of skeptical of me, but I don't mean it that way.
