Originally Posted By vbdad55 GF - 2007 Room Type Value Regular Peak Holiday Standard Garden View $375 $425 $495 $579 Lagoon View $435 $500 $590 $675 Magic Kingdom View $465 $535 $630 $720 Lodge Tower $455 $520 $615 $690 Suites 1 BR Suite - Lodge Building $975 $1060 $1220 $1400 2 BR Suite - Lodge Building $1525 $1680 $1860 $2065 4 Seasons Chicago room rates run $300 - $3500 Suites start at $645 - and I have stayed there for less at the low end I fail to see the difference, in fact 4S is lower in most cases, and some are inclusive packages btw 4 Seasons Palm Beach room rates start 500 - 550 - look at GF rack rates especially dependent on what time of year Standard Rates 325.00 Mar 19, 2007 - Apr 10, 2007 Rates to Dec 31, 2008 Weekend and Holiday Rates 300.00 Mar 19, 2007 - Apr 4, 2007 Rates to Dec 31, 2008 Winter Suite Rates 355.00 Mar 19, 2007 - Mar 31, 2007 Rates to Apr 9, 2007 Packages Bed and Breakfast 350.00 Mar 19, 2007 - Apr 10, 2007 Rates to Dec 31, 2007 Kids In the City 315.00 Mar 19, 2007 - Dec 31, 2007 Girls Just Want To Have Fun 325.00 Mar 19, 2007 - Apr 10, 2007 Rates to Dec 31, 2008 Just The Two Of Us 325.00 Mar 19, 2007 - Dec 31, 2007 Experience More – Hotel Credit 365.00 Mar 19, 2007 - Apr 30, 2007 Expecting You Package 350.00 Mar 19, 2007 - Apr 10, 2007 Rates to Dec 31, 2007
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 " But these types of hotels exist for a reason: there is a group of people out there that need or want this level of service, and are willing and able to pay for it." But I seriously wonder if those people will want to go to the parks?
Originally Posted By Fe Maiden ^^Maybe not, but they'll send their kids over to the parks while they play golf etc. And if the kids are too young to go by themselves, that's what nannies are for.
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 How sad for the kids and their parents, but lucky for the nannies. I don't like stuffy people, afraid they might like something. My brother in law worked for United Technologies, when they were working on the Living Seas, he went down for meetings, spent his spare time at the golf course, never the park. At the time he was probably in his low 40's. Not a fun person.
Originally Posted By disneydad109 We have always tried to teach our children that one nevers feels bad about going 1st class. We always traveled WITH our Children and would not dream of leaving them at a vacation spot. They traveled starting at age 5 & 6 and I think it made them smarter and gave them a better idea of the world they lived in. Both are now adults and thet are happy to spent money to enjoy themselves.Don't throw money away but why have it if you don't enjoy it. Your only young once.
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 ^Well said. My 4 kids have always been my best friends. Rough on me as they grew up and moved on. But hey, they keep coming back. Much prefer their company to most people I know.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 nice post disneydad -- my kids started traveling younger than yours but otherwise that post is spot on for me also. Saving for retirement is a necessity..but enjoying life is also important - need to have a balance. I unfortunately have had friends who never saw 40 -- tomorrow is promised to no one.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< But I seriously wonder if those people will want to go to the parks? >>> What makes you think that people with means don't like Disney parks, and not just for their kids? Or that they don't want to spend time with their kids and would get enjoyment from being in the parks just because their kids were happy?
Originally Posted By vbdad55 ^^^^^^^^^^^ exactly - not all well to do people are snobs..and standoffish....
Originally Posted By hopemax I'm wondering what these people that prefer a Four Seasons with their parks are going to think of the kids meals and the rest of the Disney restaurants. It's the same wonderment I had about DCA. Supposedly, build a park where Jane Eisner would be comfortable. So we get Mondavi and ... Mulholland Madness.
Originally Posted By SuperDry In fact, many such people are driven to success precisely because they want to provide a high quality of life for their families, and time that they spend with their families at places like WDW is what they cherish the most.
Originally Posted By Mr X >>>What makes you think that people with means don't like Disney parks, and not just for their kids?<<< Well, I'd say that it's not so much an issue of "people with means" as it is the type of people who would want to go to DisneyWorld and stay at the four seasons. As you yourself said, you don't particularly care about such an extreme level of service (me too), but some people do. And those folks, I think, probably avoid burger joints and roller coasters too. Not all of them, of course, but I'd say maybe a large number of them. Like when you showed me the four seasons lobby in Vegas...just a completely different vibe from the rest of the strip. And, though interesting, I would rather stay at one of the flashy, "gaudy", fun places than at the four seasons. BUT, for someone to want to stay at the four seasons in Vegas, I would imagine it's got a lot to do with them wanting to elevate themselves AWAY from the flashy, gaudy stuff. Just a thought.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 I find it amusing that so many folks have a problem with Four Seasons moving to WDW (I don't except I wish it weren't on that piece of wilderness) yet have no problem with the Western Beltway WalMartFolks project. There are many, many, many (I know because I've spoken with some of them) folks who are well-to-do or just enjoy true pampering when on vacation who won't travel to WDW because of the level of service, even at the GF. Most GF CMs make similar weeks pay to those at ASM, CBR or WL ... you don't get five-star service for $7 an hour. You don't even get it for $14 an hour. Four Seasons, and the Waldorf Astoria, will bring many upper-end guests back to WDW or maybe here for the first time.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo I know people who stay off site because they was some respite from the mouse, but get frustrated with the commute. I have no doubt the 4 Seasons will appeal to them. I have stayed in a few 4 Seasons and I really enjoy the pampering, especially on a romantic break. I think this will appeal and I am far happier about this development than the Western Beltway.
Originally Posted By mrkthompsn How would you like the idea of having industrial parks on Disney property?
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo They already do at the Val de Europe community in Disneyland Paris, as well as in Celebration ;-)
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom I'm all for the Western Beltway project. Disney simply NEEDS to expand the Downtown Disney experience. I'm hoping MORE shops will lead to more unique Disney things to buy. I am NOT for adding additional Value resorts. That is definately NOT the direction Disney needs to be going in. But apparently Disney believes they have seen the light and they simply can't have enough Value resorts. With the moderates, value resorts and Saratoga Springs; isn't the Walt Disney World property getting a bit over developed with generic "motel" room experience? Can we please go back to kewl inclusive resorts with interior corridors already?
Originally Posted By mrichmondj << I'm all for the Western Beltway project. Disney simply NEEDS to expand the Downtown Disney experience. I'm hoping MORE shops will lead to more unique Disney things to buy. I am NOT for adding additional Value resorts. That is definately NOT the direction Disney needs to be going in. But apparently Disney believes they have seen the light and they simply can't have enough Value resorts. >> The Western Beltway project has absolutely nothing to do with expanding the Downtwon Disney experience or even a desire to add more value hotel rooms. Disney's primary motivation is to shift the hotel/motel geography of Orlando to the west. Right now, there is a large amount of lodging to the east of WDW, within a stones throw of Universal Studios and Sea World. By inviting hotel/motel/retail development to the western side of their property, WDW effectively gets visitors farther away from the other area attractions. That's the primary motivation here more than anything else.
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 In defense of my questioning if 4 Seasons people would do the parks... From what SuperDry said about the amenities of 4S, I got a mental image of the people who would stay there. Noses in the air everyone of them. I have a sister who is extremely well off. One birthday, her husband gave her a shopping mall in Hollywood, Fla and told her she could keep the rents. My sister is one of the most down to earth people around. Their money has not effected them or their 6 kids.
Originally Posted By danyoung Y'know, I'd have a real problem with the Four Seasons if it was right there on the monorail between the Contemporary and the TTC. As it's going back into the golf area, where no one will ever see it unless they want to, it will have absolutely no impact on my enjoyment of the parks. And if it puts some pressure on Disney to get its act together and upgrade some of their hotel properties, all the better.
