Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< From what SuperDry said about the amenities of 4S, I got a mental image of the people who would stay there. Noses in the air everyone of them. >>> Really? People that, say, like 24 hour room service must automatically look down on other people? Then I remember what you said on another thread: <<< Forget the price of the drinks. You spend all that money to go to the parks/resorts to drink??? No I'm not against drinking, I'm having a glass of wine now, but you can do that at home. On vacation, do what you don't/can't do at home. I know a couple who stayed at GF for a week and spent most of their time at the pool. IMO what a waste. Glad that's not what it takes to make me happy. >>> <<< if that was all they wanted to do, they could have stayed in Mass, and just gone to a beach resort here. >>> You sure seem to have some very particular ideas as to what amenities are proper for a resort to offer or not, and for those that are acceptable, in what proportion they are used.
Originally Posted By Inspector 57 <<As you yourself said, you don't particularly care about such an extreme level of service (me too), but some people do. And those folks, I think, probably avoid burger joints and roller coasters too. Not all of them, of course, but I'd say maybe a large number of them. Like when you showed me the four seasons lobby in Vegas...just a completely different vibe from the rest of the strip. And, though interesting, I would rather stay at one of the flashy, "gaudy", fun places than at the four seasons. BUT, for someone to want to stay at the four seasons in Vegas, I would imagine it's got a lot to do with them wanting to elevate themselves AWAY from the flashy, gaudy stuff.>> I think that a large percentage of People With Money are significantly more three-dimensional than some posters here are giving them credit for. I don't think it's odd that someone would enjoy a day at a Disney Park and then appreciate going "home" to a Four Seasons at night. The Vegas analogy is a great one. Vegas offers attractions and accomodations of every "class" level. My friends and I are not people with a lot of money. But we appreciate good service and good food. And while it IS fun to throw oneself into the unique, in-your-face gaudiness that is Las Vegas, it's also nice to be able to take a rest from it when you've had your fill. As a group, we've spent day-time hours playing LazerTag at Circus Circus, redeeming cheesy casino coupons, lunching at "touristy" places, and being dealt blackjack by Elvis impersonators. We haven't done that with a sneering, "OhMyGod, look at us slumming!" attitude. It's just been part of the overall fun. But we're not going to do a buffet for dinner. We get cleaned up, we go to a nice place, and we have a lively conversation in which we compare stories of our day over probably-overpriced food and drink. And then we do a little more gambling in one of the tonier casinos before retiring to our NICE rooms. And maybe the next day we go golfing or lounge by the nice pool all day. Again, maybe we're not the best examples, since we're not hyper-monied. But I think we're pretty representative of a large group that can afford nice vacations, appreciate quality, and can also appreciate the fun of a wide range of experiences. We never took kids on these trips. I think the range of "fun" activities for adults grows exponentially at WDW when they've got their kids with them. I don't think it's any less magical for a very wealthy kid to hug Mickey than it is for a normal kid -- or any less fulfilling for the wealthy kid's parents to provide him that experience. I just don't see that there's a big disconnect between "enjoying Four Seasons" and "enjoying The Parks."
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo >>>I just don't see that there's a big disconnect between "enjoying Four Seasons" and "enjoying The Parks."<<< Exactly, the Grand Floridian and Grand Californian in CA both try to provide a special experience. One I actually prefer to the Four Seasons (I have stayed at a couple and think they are greatly overpriced for what they offer). But I think the two can very much go hand in hand. I actually think the All Stars and Pop Century are more of a blot on Disney's record as they do not offer the themed luxury experience Disney used to and to be honest, because the cast salaries are similar, in terms of service, there is not a huge service difference between Pop Century and Animal Kingdom Lodge - just the theming and ameneties. The walmarted has dumbed down the experience, hopefully the 4 Seasons will improve Disney's service - since they are so easily swayed.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss I can imagine the folks who buy into Disney's super-duper all-inclusive packages would also want to enjoy the best accomodations, regardless of price.
Originally Posted By disneydad109 some times as the price goes up the crowds go down. You can't escape the yahoos like me but you don't have to deal with as many of us. Their are some folks that I don't miss seeing by staying at a more expensive hotel as I am sure that their is a world of folks who are happy to see me leave. 30 fools are easier to overlook then 300 .
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 SuperDry, do you want me to think that people who register under aliases, and have security people protecting them from whomever, (I'm not referring to celebraties) and have nannies escorting the children to the parks, are going to want to rub shoulders with the rest of us in line for the POTC? I'm certainly not rich, but I pay what I do so I can stay at the Poly and go to sleep watching the Castle change color. During Park hours, we're there.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< do you want me to think that people who register under aliases, and have security people protecting them from whomever, (I'm not referring to celebraties) >>> I was *only* referring to celebrities - what made you think otherwise?
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 <<what made you think otherwise?>> You never mentioned celebrities, just people. I love being pampered and waited on when on vacation.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< You never mentioned celebrities, just people. >>> So, celebrities are not people? This thread has been talking about building a Four Seasons resort at WDW, and what amenities it might offer that the Disney Deluxe resorts don't. Don't you think that celebrities might be among those that visit WDW? You seem to have some very odd preconceptions.
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 Of course celebrities are people, but they aren't IMO typical rich people. If you wanted to talk about celebs, why didn't you say celebs. Aparently stupid people like me need to have everything spelled out for them. You seem to have the need to be on the attack. So you checked out what I said on another thread, am I suppose to feel honored or are you gathering more info to further your attack? People, of all types, should stay where they are most comfortable, and therefore happiest, whether it be 4S, campgrounds or anything inbetween.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< You seem to have the need to be on the attack. >>> May I remind you that you are the one that said: <<< I got a mental image of the people who would stay [at the Four Seasons]. Noses in the air everyone of them. >>> Who is attacking whom? <<< People, of all types, should stay where they are most comfortable, and therefore happiest, whether it be 4S, campgrounds or anything inbetween. >>> Now, we're in complete agreement. That is exactly what I was trying to get across. I think it would be wrong to make a pre-conceived, blanket judgment about someone that chooses to stay at a Four Seasons just as much as it would be wrong about someone that chooses to stay at All Stars, or anyone else for that matter. You were the one that said about people that stayed at the Four Seasons not only "noses in the air" but also "everyone of them." <<< So you checked out what I said on another thread, am I suppose to feel honored or are you gathering more info to further your attack? >>> I'm not "gathering information." Actually, it's quite the opposite. You had made an impression on me when I first read what you said in the other thread, such that I remembered it. I do take exception when I see someone say that they think that what someone else did on vacation was a waste. It's almost as if the person making such a statement thinks that anyone that enjoys things differently than they do is wrong. Who are you to judge the people that would like to stay at the Four Seasons? Who are you to judge that someone that wants to lay out at the pool at the GF instead of hitting the parks is wasting their time and should have stayed at home (as you did in that other thread)? I didn't really recognize your handle at the time, but when I saw your comment about "Noses in the air everyone of them" it made me think that this sounds suspiciously like the person in that other thread that made the comment about their friends at the GF. Since this is a somewhat unusual attitude here at LP, I went back to the other thread, and when I saw that it was posted by the same person, I wanted to comment on it. That's all. Peace.
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 I got my mental image from the way you worded the amenities. Several of my neighbors have pools. If I wanted to sit poolside all day and drink, I'd visit them. I personally cannot see spending all that money to go to WDW to do that. Did I say they were wasting their time or their money? I don't understand people traveling 1,500 miles to ONLY go to the water parks, we have some nice ones here in New England. We go to WDW because it's Disney, our childhood memories. My friend who went to GF, when they got to the room, she looked out the window and saw the birthday cake Castle, and she made them change her room. I didn't like the cake, but if I could have looked out at Main Street, I'd live with the cake, just try not to look at it. If I've insulted or offended anyone, I apologize.
Originally Posted By Mr X Hey, here's an idea for that Disney "magic" program. Take all the folks who are sitting in their tents at Fort Wilderness (do they still actually allow pitching tents?), and switch them out with the Four Seasons folks. Magical. (got the idea from "The Apprentice LA")
Originally Posted By Mr X **I got my mental image from the way you worded the amenities.** Keep in mind, he was just answering the question that I asked (what kind of amenities make hotels like Four Seasons so much more special than regular "nice" hotels?). It was a very good answer, as I got a picture of how different that experience can be. >>>I don't understand people traveling 1,500 miles to ONLY go to the water parks, we have some nice ones here in New England. We go to WDW because it's Disney, our childhood memories.<<< The Disney water parks are pretty special and "Disney" too. Maybe they just love water parks and want to go to the best ones. You have some nice amusement parks in New England too (I love Canobie Lake Park, actually), so using your logic it doesn't make sense for YOU to make the trek to Florida either!
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 <<<The Disney water parks are pretty special and "Disney" too. Maybe they just love water parks and want to go to the best ones. You have some nice amusement parks in New England too (I love Canobie Lake Park, actually), so using your logic it doesn't make sense for YOU to make the trek to Florida either!>> I think you got me there. I've never been to Canobie, nor have I been to 6 Flags. My argument is, could you spend a week+ at Canobie or 6F? My son's friends (at the time grades 8 & 10) & family that went to the water parks, spent 4 days at the water parks, 1 day at Epcot, 1 at MGM. Never went to MK, "because it's for little kids." AK wasn't there then. To each his own, I guess.
Originally Posted By Mr X True enough. Obviously Disney has something for everyone anyway. And yes, definitely a week long (or more) experience! Canobie Lake is nice, you should check it out sometime. Nothing fancy, but a couple of cool coasters and a nice lakeside environment (pretty clean and pleasant for a "standard" amusement park). I've not been back since they became 6-flags, but I used to look forward to my occasional visits to Riverside Park (even though THAT place was very far from "clean and pleasant" lol). The "black widow" was my first loop coaster...that was awsome! And backwards no less!
Originally Posted By irishfan Each to their own indeed. I'm just back from 9 days at the World and had a great time. I travelled with my sisters and my mother and we all had length of stay passes. Mum loves WDW but not really for the parks anymore, she spent one evening at the MK to ride IASW and view Wishes, three hours at Epcot to dine at Mexico and watch Illuminations, and about three hours at the Studios, lunch at the Sci Fi and do a bit of shopping. Her idea of a holiday at WDW is afternoon tea at the Grand Floridian, relaxing on the sands which surround Bay Lake, an evening or two at Downtown Disney, and then dinner each night at one of the resorts, and thats pretty much it.
Originally Posted By Mr X I like your Mom's style, Irish. One of the nicest things about living in Kissimmee for a year and having an annual pass was that I could do just that...hang out all around the place and really enjoy it without any particular need to "do" anything. Seems like the lenght of stay pass wasn't a great idea for her though...couldn't you guys have played it by ear and just bought her a ticket for the few days she actually went into the parks? Seems like that would likely have been far cheaper (though I can understand having "all access", and thus not having to worry about making those decisions).
