Originally Posted By Beaumandy I see Douglas brings facts and strong evidence to this argument and the usual suspects bring conspiracy theories as they ignore point after point douglas makes... some things never change. How anyone could fall for the conspiracy theory that Cheney and the White House tried to get " revenge " on Wison by going after his wife is incredible. Even on this board. Lets review.. Joe Wilson goes to Niger after his wife gets him the gig. He is totally not qualified for this mission and is about as biased as you can get against the White House. Wilson is a self proclaimed anti war child of the 60's. Yet we are supposed to think Wilson can go to Niger and come back with a fair and balanced report?? Hardly. Wilson comes back and claims that Cheney sent him to Niger and his wife had nothing to do with getting him the job.. which was a total documented lie. ( Funny that the libs love guys like this ) Wilson actually brings back info from Niger that makes Saddam look MORE like he was trying to get uranium from Niger, but Wilson white washes this little fact. Cheney, Rove, Libby and others try and set the record straight as they should have, as anyone would have when a guy like Joe Wilson is running around lying to everyone he can find... all while the ignorant, naive, confused liberals buy everything Wilson says. Yet here we are trying to pin all wrong doing on the White House, even trying to suggest they went after poor Mr. Wilsons wife as revenge?? Two years of democrats and liberals telling us how poor Ms. Plame was outed and national security was put at risk, yet not one charge ever comes down for this absolute sure fire crime by the White House? Instead they get a no name guy named Scooter? Nice scandal for the White House, they are just so devestated!!
Originally Posted By AgentLaRue "Wilson comes back and claims that Cheney sent him to Niger... " I've seen this repeated numerous times but never seen any quote from Wilson to support it. Please provide a link tending to support this assertion with a quote from Wilson, not some other person characterizing what Wilson said. "Wilson actually brings back info from Niger that makes Saddam look MORE like he was trying to get uranium from Niger." Id. The rest of your post assumes both of the above to be true. I'm rather certain they aren't.
Originally Posted By itsme >>Instead they get a no name guy named Scooter? -------- No name? <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9856981/" target="_blank">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/98 56981/</a> Misc clips form the article "Libby was both Cheney's chief of staff and assistant to the president -- a title that gave him the same rank as the president's national security adviser. Cheney is arguably the most powerful vice president in U.S. history." " The power of the vice president's office appears to have diminished somewhat in Bush's second term, in part because of Libby's legal troubles and also because Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has proven to be an effective counterweight, administration officials said. But Cheney remains extremely powerful, in part because of the effectiveness of Libby, who ran a small but talented staff that kept its pulse on the bureaucracy. At key moments, Libby or Cheney would weigh in, often tipping the scales in the direction they sought. "No vice presidential chief of staff has ever been close to the active role he played," Rothkopf said. "Libby's elevation and the critical role he played is a testament to the vice president's influence and a factor in it." "But the two men spent much of their time together. Libby, one of the few White House officials to rate a limousine, was picked up every morning at his house and driven to the vice president's residence so he and Cheney could ride in together. He was at the vice president's side on almost all his trips -- and vacationed in Wyoming when Cheney did."
Originally Posted By Beaumandy If you took a poll and asked 1000 people if they knew who Scooter Libby was this time last year I would bet you ( I love to bet ) that you don't even get 10% of the people who knew the guy. I had never heard of the guy.. not that means anything. The libs wanted Rove and a massive white House scandal. They wanted the war in Iraq to be portrayed as illegal and based on lies. Instead they got a no name guy named Scooter who lied about a crime that was never comitted. Once again, they crashed and their scandal evaporated just like a mirage in the desert. ( Made that one up myself K2man )
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>Congress voted to attack Iraq<< No, it didn't. It voted to grant the President the authority to attack Iraq if there was a clear and present danger to the United States.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>But he didn't apparently tell Novak, and that's who "outed" her.<< He apparently did tell people without a security clearance or a need to know, which is a crime even if the information isn't published. "Official A" is the one who told Novak. Official A is believed by many to be Rove.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>One, the White House didn't base their Niger yellow cake claims on those documents alone.<< They based it also on British intelligence claims... which seem to also be based on those documents.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Made that one up myself K2man<< Well done! Of course you also made up the concept that Scooter Libby was a no name guy in an attempt to spin his indictment as no big deal. I understand, your role here is to simply to hammer home the message "Right good/left bad" no matter what the circumstances. It's kinda cute. But that view, that Libby didn't matter, certainly wasn't shared by any Republicans I read about or saw interviewed over the weekend, but, you know, never let uncomfortable facts like that stop you from spinning.
Originally Posted By Spree Whether or not he was a "no name guy" is easily proved. If anyone can show me at least two different threads on LP where he is mentioned by name(not a link) anytime before lets say Jan. 1 then I will buy he isn't a "no name guy".......otherwise the proof is in the pudding, so to speak
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan So by that definition, the newest Supreme Court nominee is a no name guy.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer What does it matter if he's publicly recognized or not? He was one of the most senior White House staffers and was trusted and respected by both Bush and Cheney.
Originally Posted By Spree ^I would agree with that. What many of us are saying is that this was NOT the Dems target and no matter how they spin it they are very disapointed.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer Not all of the Democrats were focused just on Rove, and not all of them are disappointed that Rove was not indicted. Some of them are happy that the system worked and showed that the rule of law applies to the White House just as it does for the rest of us.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>What many of us are saying is that this was NOT the Dems target and no matter how they spin it they are very disapointed.<< Which is, of course, spin.
Originally Posted By Spree <<<Not all of the Democrats were focused just on Rove, and not all of them are disappointed that Rove was not indicted. Some of them are happy that the system worked and showed that the rule of law applies to the White House just as it does for the rest of us.>>> Of course not all of them. There are many Republicans that are happy the system is working too. I was referring mainly to those Talking head liberal Dems that are all over my TV screen screeching this and that....level headed guys like you and others here on LP are no where near that shril.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <If you took a poll and asked 1000 people if they knew who Scooter Libby was this time last year I would bet you ( I love to bet ) that you don't even get 10% of the people who knew the guy.> So what? Most Americans can't identify the person whose face is on the $20 bill.
Originally Posted By planodisney gadzuux's posts 13 and 20 are why we cant come together as a nation. He hopes there is something more to this story, rather than hoping to find out the truth. Once again showing why his opinions and comments must be brushed aside, by clear thinking individuals, as nothing but ideological blather!!!
