Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>But again, they didn't charge him with anything for doing that.<< And, again, because of his obstruction they couldn't get the information they needed to meet the standards necessary for a charge to stick.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer Irresponsible for me to accuse him of it, Doug? I'm just this guy, you know. I'm reading the indictment and hearing what the prosecutor is saying, and I think Libby blew an agent's cover to discredit a report that showed the only yellowcake Saddam got from Niger had chocolate frosting on it. The prosecutor didn't accuse him of it. He just related the facts as found by the investigation.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Irresponsible for me to accuse him of it, Doug?> Yes. If you want your views to be taken seriously, it's important that you keep the straight the differences between your desires and the facts.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer I'm just reciting the facts as laid out by the prosecutor in the indictment and in the press conference, Douglas.
Originally Posted By FaMulan <a href="http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20051209182509990004&ncid=NWS00010000000001<<" target="_blank">http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/new s/article.adp?id=20051209182509990004&ncid=NWS00010000000001<<</a> Ms. Plame has left the CIA. I wonder if she'll go public, as it were. I found this portion of the story rather interesting: "Plame had served for many years at overseas postings for the CIA, and her employment remained classified when she took a headquarters desk job, traveling overseas periodically. She was an employee in the CIA's Counterproliferation Division."
Originally Posted By Beaumandy Plame wasn't covert or undercover and hasn't worked overseas for over 6 years. Her lying husband and the big " outing " scandal didn't quite push Bush from office or get Rove in handcuffs. OK libs, time for your next hyped up " scandal " that you think will get you some votes. What was the last thing the dems came up with as an actual idea to help America again?
Originally Posted By cmpaley >>It’s all innocent till proven guilty in here.<< If and only if the person charged is a Republican, right? If they accused is a Democrat, they're guilty, GUILTY, G*U*I*L*T*Y, no need for a trial. Isn't that the way it works today?
Originally Posted By cmpaley Says you. Clinton was guilty, period. I remember. I WAS THERE. Libby is innocent until there is more than just the lack of reasonable doubt, there must be overwhelming evidence. Same with Rove, or Cheney, or Bush. Anyone in power now.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh People on the right will always be more willing to give others on the right more benefit of the doubt, and the same is true with people on the left. Clinton was guilty. The evidence was pretty conclusive, and there was a clear motive for his actions. The evidence for Libby, at least from what has been reported so far is not so conclusive, and there doesn't seem to be any motive for his actions. I'm sure my feelings influence my judgement on this matter, but they do not control it. And I'm sure that's true of most conservatives.
Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder "I'm sure my feelings influence my judgement on this matter, but they do not control it. And I'm sure that's true of most conservatives." I'd be willing to say that isn't true of most conservatives. They're more ideological and apt to toe the party line regardless of personal feelings. Look at Bush's core base of supporters, for example. No matter what he does, there's that group of lemmings that follow him wherever he goes. I'm sure there are more than a few conservatives here that would say that's why liberals lose elections, because they're too free thinking.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Look at Bush's core base of supporters, for example. No matter what he does, there's that group of lemmings that follow him wherever he goes.> I'm sure there are a percentage of Republicans that will support a Republican no matter what, just as there is a percentage of Democrats that will oppose a Republican no matter what. I don't think either represents a majority of their parties.
