Why right wingers have collectively gone insane

Originally Posted By DyGDisney

>>>Oooops I retract that last post, I'm not that fat anymore and you didn't make the post I was making reference to. Sorry for that. <<<

I was gonna say.....

 

Originally Posted By mawnck

>>Oooops I retract that last post, I'm not that fat anymore and you didn't make the post I was making reference to. Sorry for that. <<

That was me, and it was inappropriate. One should avoid posting when one is PO'd. I apologize.

 

Originally Posted By DouglasDubh

No one has groveled before Rush Limbaugh. What they did was apologize for misrepresenting what his show is about.

 

Originally Posted By DVC_dad

Naw X. Naw.

Rush is a blow hard, out for his own self interests. He's always been that, and I don't like the guy at all. I don't think there is a real leadership at the helm of the GOP right now. If so, who?

As for the party being dead, and facing its own demise and blah blah blah... same stuff, different foot for the same shoe since last time around. I wish there were a way to shake all the nutcase far right wingers off and actually try to do what's best for the country instead of bowing to radio talk show hosts and those who have the ear of the Holy Roller Protestants, which I might add, I used to be one.

mawnck, you're a class act, thank you. I shouldn't be so overly sensitive.

 

Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan

>>No one has groveled before Rush Limbaugh.<<

ROFL!

 

Originally Posted By DVC_dad

Did they ever say why the got rid of Alan Colmes?

 

Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan

>>Did they ever say why the got rid of Alan Colmes?<<

Hannity's ego needed more space.

 

Originally Posted By ecdc

>>Ok so then what is the bottom line argument?<<

The bottom line, for me, is that equating both parties by saying they both have their crazies is intellectually lazy. Equating criticism of Bush with criticism of Obama is intellectually lazy. Equating MSNBC and Fox News is intellectually lazy. There are key differences, and they're repeated here and elsewhere ad nauseam, and the response is always the same: "Well I guess you can't say anything bad about St. Obama or the Democrats!"

Time and time again people have given very specific, very well documented criticisms of Bush. Disagree if you like, but back it up with your own data. Time and time again people have given example after example of Fox News, or Republican leaders, or Republican voices, using extremist language and creating a frenzy among right-wing extremists that could be dangerous. Just today the Department of Homeland Security issued a report that says right-wing extremism is escalating to a point that could threaten the nation's security.

Time and time again we have given specific examples of Republican party leadership aligning themselves with right-wing extremists. Cheney was interviewed repeatedly on Limbaugh; Bush called Limbaugh's show and congratulated him. Congressmen go on Hannity and call Obama a tyrant and a socialist.

If you want to say they're all the same, do more than offer one or two anecdotal stories. Offer some real data demonstrating why they're the same. Explain why 84 days of Obama is the same as 8 years of Bush and why the criticism is the same. Explain why Bush's failures are the same as Obama's. Tell me what they are. Explain why right-wing radio and TV ratings always outpace the lefts, and tell me why that doesn't matter since, "They're both the same."

But we've heard it for two straight years on these boards and it's been old for a long time: They're both the same and anybody who says otherwise is just a whore for their political party. It's total nonsense and a refusal to analyze the situation beyond, "Well I'm going to be the moderate and hate both parties! That'll show 'em!"

 

Originally Posted By DAR

<<"Well I'm going to be the moderate and hate both parties! That'll show 'em!">>

Let's see I'm for gay marriage. I support stewardship of the environment. I support education. I want us to defeat terrorism even though we have to get dirty doing it. I want my taxes to be reasonable. And I want the government to have faith in its citizens and leave us the hell alone.

If that makes me a moderate then so be it. I've heard Rush mention it was our fault the election was lost. And if the above is saying well we don't want you in the Democratic party. That's fine by me.

 

Originally Posted By Mr X

***If that makes me a moderate then so be it. I've heard Rush mention it was our fault the election was lost. And if the above is saying well we don't want you in the Democratic party. That's fine by me.***

Far from it.

That's what the right wingers are doing right now. "with us or against us!", "don't like it? get out!" ad nauseam. And it's killing them.

Amazing that they consider a patriotic former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs and Secretary of State REPUBLICAN a "rino" simply because he could not endorse the guy who picked the crazy chick from Alaska so recklessly (frankly, only the most unreasoning partisan hack would think otherwise).

No, DAR. What you wrote doesn't make you a "moderate". It sounds more like you are pretty much entirely a Democrat. The only real issue where you clash would be on the torture thing, but as long as you are not out there trying to influence national policy on it, I don't see a problem.

Welcome to the left, brutha!

 

Originally Posted By Mr X

And everyone wants to defeat the Islamic extremists, DAR. Don't think otherwise. It's only a question of how where we differ.

 

Originally Posted By DAR

Trust me the last thing I want to do is in anyway be associated with the Democrats especially the one's in this state.

 

Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder

"Yeah maybe that's really it SPP. Seriously."

Well, I wasn't kidding.

 

Originally Posted By DouglasDubh

<Rush is a blow hard, out for his own self interests.>

Of course he is, and he freely admits it. He also believes everyone else should act in their own self interests, and when we do, we thrive. It's what most of our founders believed as well.

 

Originally Posted By DouglasDubh

<Amazing that they consider a patriotic former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs and Secretary of State REPUBLICAN a "rino" simply because he could not endorse the guy who picked the crazy chick from Alaska so recklessly (frankly, only the most unreasoning partisan hack would think otherwise).>

Was it amazing when Democrats did similar things to Sen Lieberman?

 

Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder

"No one has groveled before Rush Limbaugh. What they did was apologize for misrepresenting what his show is about."

That's complete, utter, absolute, undeniable crap. Michael Steele bent over and Rush didn't even get him drunk first.

That said, I don't think it's fair to assign the current vogue of extremism to the entirety of the Republican party. There are a fair amount of reasonable GOPers. It's just that right now, rather than retreat and regroup and listen to what the electorate has resoundingly told them the last two years, the hard right has become more vocal, more bully-like, and pushed everyone else out of the way. Since they're all we hear from, it's natural to assume they're representative of the GOP right now.

We've all said it many times by now, but if McCain hadn't caved in to them and picked Palin, he could very well be President right now. Palin lost him the election, no question. But for some reason, that fact isn't recognized by the vocal right. Just within the last 24 hours or so McCain was asked to name some future leaders in the GOP. He rattled off the names of about half a dozen GOP governors, none named Palin. He then joked he'll likely get in trouble for omitting one name, whom e still then didn't name. Sure enough, some Palin acolyte ripped McCain, saying HE was the reason they lost and it was probably a good thing he wasn't in the White House.

 

Originally Posted By DAR

I took this quiz again and it came out that I'm a Lib. As in Libertarian. Which is what I suspected all along.

<a href="http://www.theadvocates.org/quizp/quiz.php" target="_blank">http://www.theadvocates.org/qu...quiz.php</a>

 

Originally Posted By Mr X

***Was it amazing when Democrats did similar things to Sen Lieberman?***

It was definitely interesting, though I don't know about amazing (because Powell strikes me as a great patriot and an excellent human being not to mention sharp as a tack, whereas Lieberman is, well, Droopy Dog).

Also irrelevant since he's not a Democrat at all.

 

Originally Posted By DouglasDubh

<That's complete, utter, absolute, undeniable crap.>

No, it's not.

<Palin lost him the election, no question.>

That's nonsense.

 

Originally Posted By Mr X

***I took this quiz again and it came out that I'm a Lib. As in Libertarian. Which is what I suspected all along.***

Surprising, given the fact that a Libertarian wouldn't be too concerned with education (of the public sort, anyway) or stewarding the environment.

Even on your torture stance (the only one that seems truly right wing), a Libertarian would be more likely to simply close up the borders and let the rest of the world fend for itself I would imagine.