Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< There's always a little part of me that wonders, if guests (no, not really wondering..) are to blame for the bad maint. At opening time, and at low capacity times, the parks do look nice. Sure, there are some issues, but I wonder if the issues we complain about are due to our fellow (bumpkin) guests.. >>> Guests are responsible for the waterfall across from JC load not working? For AA's that don't function? For blown out speakers on attractions that are left that way for months? When people are talking about poor maintenance, I don't think it's directed at day-to-day custodial issues which seems to be what you're referring to. Although the custodial issues are important as well and perhaps also not up to prior standards, they really are a separate issue.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Guests are responsible for the waterfall across from JC load not working? For AA's that don't function? For blown out speakers on attractions that are left that way for months? When people are talking about poor maintenance, I don't think it's directed at day-to-day custodial issues which seems to be what you're referring to. Although the custodial issues are important as well and perhaps also not up to prior standards, they really are a separate issue.<<< No, no, that's inexcusable...I shoulda made that clearer. It's the custodial stuff, like you said, is partly on the guests.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Agreed, but guests (and discussion board posters) that accept the lack of real maintenance and call WDW magical etc. and send flammage at critics for pointing it out are a huge part of the problem too. I remember when watching the Goofy Movie years ago, laughing at the scene where Goofy and Max are watching the broken AA gophers at a 2nd rate tourist attraction, laughing knowing they are poking fun at the competition. Fast forward to a couple of years ago, and the Country Bear Jamboree in the MK was almost in the same pitiful state. That's bad.
Originally Posted By Bob Paris 1 "Agreed, but guests (and discussion board posters) that accept the lack of real maintenance and call WDW magical etc. and send flammage at critics for pointing it out are a huge part of the problem too." Agreed. They are contemptible. They are enablers.
Originally Posted By danyoung >...but guests (and discussion board posters) that accept the lack of real maintenance and call WDW magical etc. and send flammage at critics for pointing it out are a huge part of the problem too.< But there's a middle ground to be held, and I think a lot of posters on this site go way over to the extreme of needing to point out every little problem as another huge item on the list of why Disney isn't magical any more. Look, I can totally enjoy my time in the MK while I can also acknowledge the problems and wish Disney would fix 'em. But I'm not going to boycot the place because I saw a full trashcan. Everyone has their own threshold, and while you have reached yours, dave, I'm nowhere near mine. So for someone to call me contemptible is way WAY over the line here. I'm not living with rose colored glasses on, nor am I an apologist or a defender of mediocrity (how I HATE that term!). But I'm not going to go into spasms of hatred every time I see a bit of trash on the ground. Do I wish Disney would do better on maintenance and refurbs on their parks? Of course. Am I going to let that get in the way of my enjoyment of the parks? Absolutely not!
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo I don't get my pants in a twist when I see rubbish. But when half the effects don't work, and the air con is barely on, and most things have staggered opening. Well frankly, I would rather spend my money where I will receive value. California still does it, I hear Japan does too, and we went to DLP a few months after the last DLP trip and Paris had better maintenance than Orlando (scary, since theirs is subpar). When a local park, Alton Towers has a more efficient monorail, or that hotels and restaurants in other locales offer better service and quality (the money is not really the issue here), then WDW has lost it. And it would not be too hard to get it back, that is the irksome point. It would not be hard for me to fall in love again. I was not the one to use the term contemptable, but I think Bob was on the money.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Agreed, but guests (and discussion board posters) that accept the lack of real maintenance and call WDW magical etc. and send flammage at critics for pointing it out are a huge part of the problem too.<<< Of course. Recognizing the problem is the first step to fixing it, and differentiated opinions should be talked about, not shut down. >>Everyone has their own threshold, and while you have reached yours, dave, I'm nowhere near mine. So for someone to call me contemptible is way WAY over the line here. I'm not living with rose colored glasses on, nor am I an apologist or a defender of mediocrity (how I HATE that term!). But I'm not going to go into spasms of hatred every time I see a bit of trash on the ground. Do I wish Disney would do better on maintenance and refurbs on their parks? Of course. Am I going to let that get in the way of my enjoyment of the parks? Absolutely not!<< EXACTLY. Know that there is a problem, note it, demand better, continue to enjoy Disney. As bad as we think it is...it's not terrible. There is still a general feel of quality and "specialness" to the Resort. That might be from their legacy, but notwithstanding, the guest experience as a whole is still second to none. Of course, if IOA keeps up with the Disneys, as they've been doing, that will change.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> Agreed, but guests (and discussion board posters) that accept the lack of real maintenance and call WDW magical etc. and send flammage at critics for pointing it out are a huge part of the problem too. << You'll never find such magical restrooms as you will at WDW. They make your average Exxon restroom look pitiful by comparison. And don't even get me started on the beauty of construction walls. To see them, it's almost like visiting the Sistine Chapel. No, strike the *almost*. It is a holy experience.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer And when they have Concept Art for Meet and Greets on them? It's amazing. The perfect combination: Walls + Meet and Greets + FL Bathrooms with Quail Tiling= Happiest Place on Earth.
Originally Posted By danyoung >I was not the one to use the term contemptable, but I think Bob was on the money.< So let me get this straight, just for future discussion - are you calling me a contemptable enabler, dave?
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 Leo you need to find another passion. You caused A Happy Haunt to dream about another LP poster doing his business in a Disney Store bathroom. Way too much time spent on LP girl.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> Leo you need to find another passion. You caused A Happy Haunt to dream about another LP poster doing his business in a Disney Store bathroom. << I hope she is finding her conversion to the bright side enjoyable. Quail tiling...makes me...GIDDY!!!
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer Come June, that is going to be a LP Live picture, just for you. How do you do captions? ;-)
Originally Posted By A Happy Haunt >> Leo you need to find another passion. You caused A Happy Haunt to dream about another LP poster doing his business in a Disney Store bathroom. << I hope she is finding her conversion to the bright side enjoyable. Quail tiling...makes me...GIDDY!!!>> I swear to Mickey... I had a nightmare about Disney & toilets!! very strange!
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer Dreams that involve Disney Toilets are wishes that your heart makes.
Originally Posted By barboy2 ///And yet you goto France... well known for its cheap whores./// I doubt that considering the strength of the euro. If a Le Big Mac is $6 how much for a working girl for an or hr. or two(or working guy for you equal opportunists out there)?
Originally Posted By barboy2 ///Go to TDL. From everything I hear they know how to do Disney better than Disney/// ///where do you think they(TDR) learned "how do to Disney" originally/// Darth sums it up nicely: ""The circle is now complete. When I left you I was but the learner now I am the master""
