Originally Posted By CMDad <<What irritates me are the people who are so down on the place that they try to convince others that there is no value at all in the World. And this just isn't so.>> I could spend all day telling you what is wrong with WDW these days ... and there are many things that have lost the magic that Walt wanted to see and indeed was there in the early days. But that doesn't mean there still isn't a lot of good in the parks and on the rest of property. It's just that we here know how much better it COULD be than it still is. But it is no longer run by a man with a vision, or his direct descendants who were infected with his vision. Today is is simply a corporate product with all that entails. Unless one of us LPer's inherits Jobs or Gates fortune and buys the WDC, that will always be the state of affairs.
Originally Posted By danyoung >I could spend all day telling you what is wrong with WDW these days ... But that doesn't mean there still isn't a lot of good in the parks and on the rest of property.< I completely agree. And I could also spend a day in the MK, looking for overflowing trashcans and dirty bathrooms and cranky CM's on their cell phones or non-working effects in attractions, and I'd end my day sad and jaded. But my time in the parks is so limited that it's simply not worth it to me to look at it all that way. I'll see something that isn't right, lament it for all of 2 seconds, and get right back to enjoying the place.
Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub That is true but we hopefully discuss the good and the bad thinking somebody with power will take note!
Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub As for the payscale-good ? I have only taken one Disney Cruise thru Panama Canal. Unbeleivably hard working conditions for length of their contracts BUT everyone of them was a True representative of the WaltDisney high standards. The Disney Cruise Line has a website for job openings and one would have to really think about working on a cruise ship. So there must be a better salary offered.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<I'm curious to know what the pay scale, for CM's, between the two is.>> Pay is a lot better on DCL, and the overall attitude of the guests helps there too. On a cruise people are looking to relax, where-as at WDW people are going commando on a theme park, and tend to take their frustrations out on CMs, which tends to affect them. I know, I know. it's the CMs' jobs to deal with people like that but sometimes after a full day of getting screamed at it wears you down.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<You're missing a lot.>> I'm sure that's true in the life sense ... in the people ripping WDW and saying folks shouldn't go there, I don't see it. Please point it out next time that happens! <<It happens all the time - someone's all excited about a trip to WDW, and someone else posts "hey, WDW sucks - you should spend your money at Tokyo Disney Seas!" And that's not just from TDLFAN, whose constant rags and nags I really don't miss at all.>> TDLFAN is a friend, so I'm not going to get into a debate on his merits as a human being ... suffice to say, I think he's a great guy and praise doesn't come easily from me. And TDS is an amazing park. Anyone with eyes can see that ... but not everyone can go. But plenty of folks can go to Anaheim or Paris or Tokyo to see how Disney operates elsewhere and they instead just keep returning to WDW ... that I find a little odd.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<I'm curious to know what the pay scale, for CM's, between the two is.>> It's a different situation because of the nature of the cruise business and the work contracts. Suffice to say, some folks make considerably more than the average WDW CM, but some don't make all that much more. ... And on a cruise ship, you practically work all the time. Very little downtime.
Originally Posted By MPierce More money translate into a happier CM. I think Hokie Skipper pointed out one of the main reasons for content CM at DCL is definetly the quality of guest they have to deal with.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>And TDS is an amazing park. Anyone with eyes can see that ... but not everyone can go.<<< That's not what they are saying here... <a href="http://mb.laughingplace.com/MsgBoard-T-113826-P-3.asp?C=1" target="_blank">http://mb.laughingplace.com/Ms....asp?C=1</a>
Originally Posted By barboy2 Disney Sea is still the most lavish, fully detailed, visually stunning park in the world, BY FAR..... but I wish it would stop importing attractions and get back to making originals.
Originally Posted By KatieKate123 I agree with Hokie, though I never worked at WDW, I did work at Busch Gardens willamsburg. I loved my job at first, and I was supernice to a lot of people but by the end of the year I was worn out (luckily this was a seasonal job and I did this for 5 seasons) the guest were rude, had no consideration. Like if you are pushing a heavy cart up the hill and they stop you to ask for directions (yes they have the right) but its hard on our backs to stop like that. So towards the end I would have good days and bad days and I truely think that is what happens at WDW (the cms have good days and bad days on bad days they tend to ignore the guest hey they are only human)
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<on a cruise ship, you practically work all the time. Very little downtime.>> ...and your personal space is positively tiny.
Originally Posted By Socrates Where else would you rather be? Socrates "The unexamined life is not worth living."
Originally Posted By samrutster Once a disney lover, always a disney lover. I think the complaints stem from almost everything everyone has talked about so far. Mine is by far the way costomer service has changed through the years, but I just think that is the way of the world now. Disney is after all a bussiness and like all bussinesses these days they have to cut cost somehow. I spoke to a cast member from long ago and they say they spend much less time now training their CM's. It's still the most magical place on earth and the most looked forward to vacation my family ever takes!
Originally Posted By WDW Imagineer But do you think it will continue to change for the worse? I mean i remember not five years ago where the cm's would practically not let something as simple as a sneeze go without being cleaned. As for friendliness, i don't think that's going to change. Yes, they're cutting costs on cm training, but friendliness is something I believe can't be tought, and if you're working in any disney park, friendliness is a given and I believe all of the cm's I've encountered have done a beautiful job
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer ^I think it's too late, and most of it has changed.... When was your last visit?
