Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<The terrorists have no way they can bring down our government or our Constitution or our way of life. >> Tom, lets say a couple of nukes from Akbar the Muslim terrorist go off in NY, Chicago, and LA. You don't think thats not going to cripple this country and change our lives forever? You think you can sit around and talk about civil rights and the constitution AFTER this happens?? 9/11 was not a huge attack compared to a nuclear attack or other WMD gong off here. That attack shut this country down for a short time and almost backrupted the airline industry. This is why I am testy. ( Thanks for the word of the day RT )
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Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <Tom, lets say a couple of nukes from Akbar the Muslim terrorist go off in NY, Chicago, and LA. You don't think thats not going to cripple this country and change our lives forever?> Hasn't that always been a 'what if' Beaumandy? Back in the good old days of the Cold War, weren't we worried about just that? A NUCLEAR BOMB being launched from the U.S.S.R. and blowing us up? Why is the Iranian President any more or less nuts than Nikita Khruschev or Leonid Brezhnev? Is it because you can't take those greasy men with beards and towels on their heads? I love how tapping phones and checking Google search engines are the Bush Administration's 'secret weapons' to root out terrorists. Your move...
Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder And when we get 'em, we'll wrap 'em up in hefty bags and duct tape.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>You don't think thats not going to cripple this country and change our lives forever?<< Of course it's going to change the country. But it won't destroy it. >>You think you can sit around and talk about civil rights and the constitution AFTER this happens??<< If we still want to be Americans, we don't have any choice. If we want to throw away the great idea that we are founded upon - that governments derive their power from the consent of the governed - then we won't argue about it. But I'm not willing to throw away the rights and Constitution that so many people spilled their blood to protect. If you can't understand the difference, then you really don't understand what the meaning of this nation in history is.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe To Tom--Just now on the Factor you missed a long interesting segment on San Fran with Angelo Alioto of the Chronicle, Police President, Major Newsom, and on and on. Both the conservatives and the liberals were not testy at all and Bill was even calling Angela by her first name. The point is that it was refreshing NOT seeing any testiness. They all disagreed about EVERYTHING but somehow it did not develop into the usual shouting match. Even with Lanny Davis on right before, the tone was civil though everyone was and will be forever angry at Gore's terrible behavior.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<I'm not willing to throw away the rights and Constitution that so many people spilled their blood to protect.>> Talk about hysterical ranting Tom. What rights have you lost under Bush? Where are the jails full of people who have wer hauled away for saying bad things about the governemnt Tom? Where are the ACLU cases against the people doing illegal spying? How many times do I have to remind you national security and staying alive come before anyhing else, and that includes civil rights and the constitution. I guess it's going to take that massive attack to bring you libs ( STPH that means you ) into the real world where the grown ups need to be in charge.
Originally Posted By gadzuux >> How many times do I have to remind you national security and staying alive come before anyhing else, and that includes civil rights and the constitution. << Fear-mongering is obviously more effective on republicans than on democrats.
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Originally Posted By cmpaley >>How many times do I have to remind you national security and staying alive come before anyhing else, and that includes civil rights and the constitution.<< Beau, you'd have been a supporter of the Redcoats in the Revolutionary War, it appears! Whatever happened to "Give me liberty or give me death!?"
Originally Posted By Beaumandy This thread proves my point that liberals don't take national security serious and are not up to the job of keeping America safe. These people on the left are more concerend about how we treat some scumbag terrorist in Gitmo than they are concerned about stopping the next attack that Bin Laden himself just the other day said was coming. I love it!! When you lose again and again and again, feel free to know that this is the reason... well one of the reasons.
Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder What it proves is you don't give a #@*! about the Constitution. "You think you can sit around and talk about civil rights and the constitution AFTER this happens" Pretty sad stuff.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy If there is no country , the constitution and civil rights mean nothing. Sad I have to spell this little piece of reality out to a fellow Bush voter.
Originally Posted By gadzuux Try this - if there is no constitution and no civil rights, there is no country.
Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder "Sad I have to spell this little piece of reality out to a fellow Bush voter." We have nothing in common. Nothing.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>How many times do I have to remind you national security and staying alive come before anyhing else, and that includes civil rights and the constitution.<< I believe in the principles upon which this nation is founded, Beau. I believed in them enough to put my life on the line for them in military service. You go ahead and worry about staying alive. I'll worry about civil rights and the Constitution. People like me will make sure that they'll still be around for you to enjoy when you come up out of your bunker.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>Whatever happened to "Give me liberty or give me death!?"<< It's now "Give me a nice house in the 'burbs and a big car. I'll give you anything you want as long as you don't let them kill me."
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>These people on the left are more concerend about how we treat some scumbag terrorist in Gitmo than they are concerned about stopping the next attack that Bin Laden himself just the other day said was coming.<< He appears to speak English, yet he doesn't appear to be able to understand it.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>If there is no country , the constitution and civil rights mean nothing.<< But there is nothing the terrorists can do that can destroy the country, Beau. Nothing. We weathered a Civil War and devastating Depressions. We had eras of lawlessness and eras of completely corrupt political leadership. And we not only survived those but we came out stronger. Don't give these terrorists that much power. Don't be that frightened of them. They really aren't that powerful.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Post 57-very "level headed" and civil Tom. I like that tone as I've been trying to get acrooss> to myself too.
