Originally Posted By Beaumandy << I've never said anything about appeasement. >> You don't have to say it, your attitude says it all.
Originally Posted By cmpaley >><< I've never said anything about appeasement. >> You don't have to say it, your attitude says it all.<< Assuming facts not in evidence?
Originally Posted By Beaumandy cmpaley, I was only kidding about the Star Trek DVD's, it was not a personal attack. But dude.... ytou really need to play Poker or something. LOL Thank you for the bible class but your misguided like so many liberals are when it comes to Jesus and the subject of fighting evil. Radical Islam is pure evil. Can we agree on that?? Any religion that kills others who don't agree with them, kills kids in schools, kills women on busses, beheads people who are in the region to give out aid... this is pure evil. I have one bible verse that you libs need to read again and again and again.. -- Those who do nothing about sin and evil, help the sin and evil to prevail. One who is silent when there are those around him in sin becomes a partaker with them (Eph. 5:7).
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<Assuming facts not in evidence?>> Hey, Tom isn't willing to do what it takes to stop terrorists. In his world, if winning the terror war means breaking a rule in the constitution or violation a civil right, he has made it clear he is willing to lose. I'm not, and the bible says the same thing. You CONFRONT evil and destroy it. This is where liberals fall down big time.
Originally Posted By cmpaley >>cmpaley, I was only kidding about the Star Trek DVD's, it was not a personal attack. But dude.... ytou really need to play Poker or something. LOL<< I don't buy it. Apology not accepted as none was given. >>Thank you for the bible class but your misguided like so many liberals are when it comes to Jesus and the subject of fighting evil.<< Then give some passages that prove that Jesus would have attacked the people who attacked Him. >>Radical Islam is pure evil. Can we agree on that?? Any religion that kills others who don't agree with them, kills kids in schools, kills women on busses, beheads people who are in the region to give out aid... this is pure evil.<< Considering I'm a prospective Catholic Christian, I could go so far as to say that any religion that denies the Nicene Creed and the primacy of the Pope are evil. But I don't. The actions of the men who engage in terrorist tactics are surely evil and wicked. They have their reward...eternal hellfire. >>I have one bible verse that you libs need to read again and again and again.. -- Those who do nothing about sin and evil, help the sin and evil to prevail. One who is silent when there are those around him in sin becomes a partaker with them (Eph. 5:7).<< That is not Ephesians 5:7. In fact, it doesn't even say anything CLOSE to that. What it DOES say, in context is: Ephesians 5: "1: Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children. 2: And walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God. 3: But fornication and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you, as is fitting among saints. 4: Let there be no filthiness, nor silly talk, nor levity, which are not fitting; but instead let there be thanksgiving. 5: Be sure of this, that no fornicator or impure man, or one who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 6: Let no one deceive you with empty words, for it is because of these things that the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. 7: Therefore do not associate with them, 8: for once you were darkness, but now you are light in the Lord; walk as children of light 9: (for the fruit of light is found in all that is good and right and true), 10: and try to learn what is pleasing to the Lord. 11: Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. 12: For it is a shame even to speak of the things that they do in secret; 13: but when anything is exposed by the light it becomes visible, for anything that becomes visible is light. 14: Therefore it is said, "Awake, O sleeper, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give you light." 15: Look carefully then how you walk, not as unwise men but as wise, 16: making the most of the time, because the days are evil. "
Originally Posted By Beaumandy Here is one more quick one cmpaley.. God in this text is telling his readers to FIGHT evil, not sit around and be an appeaser to evil. -- The prophet Obadiah severely condemned the Edomites for doing nothing when evil was befalling their brethren, the Jews. When Jerusalem was invaded by her enemies, the Edomites "stood on the other side" doing nothing but watching the slaughter as spectators. God SAID by their failure to act and to help their brethren "even thou wast as one of them" (Obad. 11).
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>if winning the terror war means breaking a rule in the constitution or violation a civil right, he has made it clear he is willing to lose<< Some might argue that if we willingly throw out the Constitution, we've lost already. You do realize that the whole idea of terrorism is to cause panic, hysteria, and terror. So that you'll do stuff like, you know, willingly ignore the Constitution, ignore civil rights, etc. You ought to allow, Beaumandy, for the possibility that we can fight the war on terror without forfeiiting civil rights, Constitutional law, etc. Just because you can't currently conceive of it, doesn't mean it can't be done. Police work within the bounds of the law all the time.
Originally Posted By cmpaley Beau...my dear redcoat supporting Beay...did you know that God ordered whole civilizations destroyed simply because they didn't believe in the religion of the Hebrews? Check it out: Deut. 20:16-18 But in the cities of these peoples that the LORD your God gives you for an inheritance, you shall save alive nothing that breathes, but you shall utterly destroy them, the Hittites and the Amorites and the Canaanites and the Perizzites, the Hivites and the Jebusites, as the LORD your God has commended; that they may not teach you to do according to all their abominable practices which they have done in the service of their gods, and so to sin against the LORD your God." God also calls for the execution of ANYONE who engages in idolatry in the Hebrew nation of Israel. I wouldn't use the instructions given to Israel in the Old Testament without the light of the New Testament and the Church. That leads to all sorts of bad, bad things.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<You ought to allow, Beaumandy, for the possibility that we can fight the war on terror without forfeiiting civil rights>> That is what Bush is trying to do. So far, all I have seen is hyterical rantings about what COULD happen if we have to fight the war on terror. However, FDR and Abe Lincoln installed policies that would have made the ACLU have a total meltdown and todays liberals demanding impeachment. Well, these great men won the wars they were fighting and we now have the greatest nation in the history of the world. So your telling me that in WARTIME, your not willing to put aside some civil rights, or violate the constitution to preserve the country? Again, if we don't have the country ( look at what has happned to France ), what good is the constitution? Oh... it was the " black socks " post that made me ditch the Stovall Inn. YOur post was the final straw that made me cancel.
Originally Posted By cmpaley >>Again, if we don't have the country ( look at what has happned to France ), what good is the constitution?<< Here's what you just don't get. Countries like France, England, China, Thailand and such are based on ethnic homogenity...everyone is the same ethnicity. The United States isn't founded upon such things. We are founded upon a set of PRINCIPLES which are codified and enshrined in the Constitution. No Constitution, no United States.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>So your telling me that in WARTIME, your not willing to put aside some civil rights, or violate the constitution to preserve the country?<< I don't see how violating the Constitution is preserving the country. Sounds like something a nation is terrorized into doing, not free will. Which is another way of playing into the terrorists hands. I guess I'd need a good example illustrating how violating the Constitution is the only possible way to save the nation. Speaking of FDR, he also reminded Americans that the only thing they have to fear is fear itself. Fear leads to doing things like ignoring our Constitution. Terrorists can knock down buildings and kill innocents, but they can't make us shred our Constitution (and I'm not saying it's being shredded yet, but there are some disturbing trends). If the Constitution somehow impedes keeping the nation safe, then conress should do what it takes to make the case that it needs to be changed. There are lawful steps to do this, all done in the light of day. That's by design.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<So your telling me that in WARTIME, your not willing to put aside some civil rights, or violate the constitution to preserve the country?>> There is NEVER at time to put aside some civil rights or to violate the constitution. If we do so, the terrorists have already won big time. I truly can't believe ANY patriotic American would say such a thing. You are no patriot Beaumandy. You are just one more coward wanting nothing other than to preserve what YOU PERSONALLY have no matter what the cost to our country and way of life. To think that you feel you have the right to disparage the patriotism of those who have ACTUALLY SERVED our country in the armed forces (like Tom Sawyer) when you have done NOTHING other than give the military lip service makes me absolutely ill.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip No. I just cannot believe that any supposedly patriotic American would suggest that it is OK to violate the Constitution. The Constitution is the NUMBER ONE thing that both our President and our Armed Forces are sworn to preserve and protect. To think that Beau would so easily set aside that which 100's of thousands of American soldiers have given their lives for completely disgusts me.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>Hey, if you want to die a young death just so you can say you kept to some moral standard, fine.<< Now I see why you never served your country, Beau. It just doesn't matter as much to you as it does to me.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>Hey, Tom isn't willing to do what it takes to stop terrorists.<< That's just nonsense - I'm willing to do what it takes to stop terrorists. I just don't there is any compelling reason to ignore the Constitution to do so. >>You CONFRONT evil and destroy it.<< I am. Right here.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Good job everyone It seems everyone really is trying for the same thing with different M O's. This thread is a good education in religion.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip In re-reading my last couple of posts I realize I probably got too personal with Beau. But after listening to Beau calling liberals <<naive... childish... misguided... weak... limp wristed>> and being accused of <<hysterical ranting>> it is pretty tempting to fire back. I support 100% of what I said... it just should have been directed towards "conservative extremists" instead of personally to Beau (we all would have known who I was referring to anyway...).
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo "we are in a war that threatens Americans like no war in history" Really???? I'd say the Civil War was a pretty huge test. And WWII, that was a huge test as well. The US admin have made some decisions that have actually added heat to the fire.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo "I guess they are the far left wack jobs." I thought the term was moonbat?
