Originally Posted By mstaft Thanks, bean. But I will miss your posts. You have great insight and humor I appreciate.
Originally Posted By barboy "This attraction could set a dangerous precedent." ---yes Butler79 these are some scary times for some of us park enthusiasts. I hope that the path we're on will lead to a much better place than what we are currently seeing: CARTOONS, VIDEO AND INTERACTION OH MY! CARTOONS, VIDEO AND INTERACTION OH MY! CARTOONS, VIDEO AND INTERACTION OH MY! "May I assume the OP has been through this attraction?" You think that you trumped the OP....... but you didn't. Humans do have the power to forecast, project and extrapolate quite accurately--- we do it daily. "To play devils advocate here, isn't Spiderman over at Universal essentially just movie screens?" I was on Spiderman when it broke down once. Screens went blank leaving us looking at just the sets throughout the ride. Those sets, as far as attractions in theme parks go, were fully realized and done with great care and scale; 3-D props and facades as well as A's(and quite possibly AA's) were all over the ride. Also, those "scoops" rocked, tilted, rotated and vibrated as it traveled through the city. The ride has real fire, water and wind to tell the story too.
Originally Posted By barboy "Soarin' is "just" a movie, and look how good that turned out to be." I'm not sure if you are being facetious or not but to take it at face value Soarin' is entirely different than just a movie. You are being facetious, no?
Originally Posted By FerretAfros Yes, he is. This ride is much more than just a movie. We've all seen 'just a movie' before. It's the kind of thing you saw in history class in school, the kind of thing you may have found in DCA (Seasons of the Vine), the kind of thing you watch on your couch at home, but not the kind of thing that they're going to make a big deal out of. While it is projection based, it's not really 'just a movie' any more than the Nemo Subs or Soarin' are.
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>"May I assume the OP has been through this attraction?" You think that you trumped the OP...<< Well not with just that comment. There was rather a lot that followed. But if you want to make points by arguing with a rhetorical preamble, have at it. >>Humans do have the power to forecast, project and extrapolate quite accurately--- we do it daily.<< And that is just the point of my reply to the OP. I believe the conclusions reached were false, based on forecasting, projecting and extrapolating. Unless, of course, the OP has some additional knowledge the rest of us don't have, ie: has actually experienced the attraction and found it was nothing more than some video screens.
Originally Posted By believe Trying to make a comparison. If you saw a video of Soarin on youtube without ever riding it, you'd probably say "what a lame ride...". But it turned out to be really good. I hope the same can be said about TSM.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt I think that the contraption that lifts guests into the theater with their feet dangling in the air would at least make that attraction seem a little more enticing that what I've seen online for TSMM.
Originally Posted By Skellington88 >Not we. You. Keep it singular.< Actually me and my family think this ride is a lame concept too.
Originally Posted By barboy "Well not with just that comment' Ya, I know--- I just didn't want to repost your full argument(which was overall pretty good except for the irrelavant and short history lesson of AA's and flats; but the other points were pretty strong)
Originally Posted By Moon Waffle I love how some are already bashing TSMM yet no one has even been on it. Classic.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA I bash movies after just seeing the trailers. I didn't have to go see '27 Dresses' to know I would hate it. Or that stupid Robin Williams movie where he plays a priest. I saw the trailers, knew I'd hate them. Is that also 'classic'?
Originally Posted By barboy "I love how some are already bashing TSMM yet no one has even been on it." And I love how you, apparently, have no inductive reasoning skills or at the very least don't want the rest of us to use ours--- cheers! Again, one doesn't always need to experience something first hand to draw safe conclusions. People assume and infer every hr. of every day. I've never been exposed to anthrax nor cholera but I'm pretty damn sure that I would find it most undesirable if I had. And I will bash Toy Story openly and freely because I do not like the overall point of the attraction; cartoons and video are for the lazy. And I want nothing to do with keeping score/interaction/shooting targets either. Thus, I foresee TSMM as being a step in the wrong direction.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Even on rides that are essentially scenic, video never adequately conveys what it's like to be on it. Even the videos that Disney itself puts together and shows clips from the rides... they always look somewhat lame to me. It's very different from actually riding.
Originally Posted By oneyepete "I've never been exposed to anthrax nor cholera but I'm pretty damn sure that I would find it most undesirable if I had." You should try it. JUST KIDDING! REALLY!
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>And I will bash Toy Story openly and freely because I do not like the overall point of the attraction; cartoons and video are for the lazy. And I want nothing to do with keeping score/interaction/shooting targets either. Thus, I foresee TSMM as being a step in the wrong direction.<< A step in the wrong direction... FOR YOU. For YOUR tastes and wants. But is TSMM wrong for DCA? For today's audience? There are many things in which I personally have little interest. Princesses, for example. But I wouldn't then proclaim that anything princess based is lame and somehow "dangerous" for the parks. I will look at various princess based proposals on their own merit. And the same standard should be applied to TSMM. To say "cartoons are for the lazy" (bearing in mind that CARTOONS are the whole foundation of the Walt Disney Company), or that "I want nothing to do with interaction" is good information about yourself. But it really does nothing to explain why TSMM is "dangerous."
Originally Posted By barboy look Moon Waffle I'm not trying to come down on you too much here. It's just that if one knows nothing to very little about something then you're right---- no bashing allowed and keep an open mind. But we know the basics and fundamentals of TSMM, enough to at least get an overview. Even without the posted video we already know the key stuff: a 3-D attraction in a dark ride format based on Toy Story the movie with an emphasis on video screens---state of the art--- and target shooting/scoring. Now, if at the exit/disembark Disney will be handing out $100 bills based on scores to guests then I will say that I was wrong about the ride and my assumption was way off about not liking it. (But something tells me that that won't happen )
Originally Posted By barboy . "But is TSMM wrong for DCA? No, it's not wrong for DCA's pier. And to be fair at the very least it fits ***thematically*** very well--- if it didn't fit then I would really be ticked off about the direction of the park. "For today's audience?" Not wrong at all for today's instant gratification, lazy video game generation. But it is wrong for me and countless others who appreciate attractions more like Splash Mnt., Pirates, IJ, Jouney To Center Of Earth and Mansions and less like Buzz or Universal's Men In Black.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros I am able to appreciate Buzz and Splash Mountain both for what they are. They are different experiences that help round out the Disneyland experience. Would my day be crushed if I couldn't go on one of them? No way. Would I be upset if I was forced to go on one of them? Nope, not even Splash at 11:30 pm in December (which I've done, BTW). Just because there is something that you don't personally like doesn't mean it's the end of the world. I don't really like Dumbo, but there always seems to be a line for it, and the Astro Orbitor too for that matter. It's not really something that I would wait more than 5 minutes for, so I very rarely get on it. "Not wrong at all for today's instant gratification, lazy video game generation." I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but that's who is coming to the park. The young folk out there are populating the park more and more, as video games become more and more common. This means that future generations will be able to enjoy the attraction too. Just like how use of robotics was on the rise in industrial uses in the 1960's and the park got robotic people out of it, it's just a product of our times to have comuter controlled simulations of things in the parks. Is it better than a real set? Who can say at this point without riding it and actually seeing the capabilities of the system. Are the AA's in POTC better than real humans? I'm not sure, but they're a lot cheaper to employ. I'm sure there were people upset about having to look at fake people in POTC and how they thought it would be the end of live entertainment in the park, but look where we are today. There are still plenty of real people doing things in the parks, and we are still moving forward. Sets won't be completely be replaced by projections any time soon, but that's not to say that they can't work together to make a better experience than either can create on its own.
