Originally Posted By Dabob2 <The only difference is that when the Matterhorn was built, it was considered part of Tomorrowland (I believe that lasted through the early 70's).> Well, the early 70's is when they finally started having ALL of their media refer to it as FaL; until then they had a weird situation where the guidebooks called it TL, but the E-tickets themselves and the attraction poster said FaL, and that was true from day one. The Matterhorn always looked pretty good as a backdrop for FaL. Not as good as today, but even with the "tournament tent" FaL it still worked (it was still a Euro look, if not as charming as today), and of course it always looked great if you were on SLCB looking at the Pinocchio Alps with the Matterhorn behind them.
Originally Posted By Hista98 I think back when Matterhorn opened there was an effort to have some new rides in Tommorrowland since it was really lacking in them. since FaL had so many rides already, in fact the most in anyland. They decided to put matterhorn in tommorland temporairly until more rides opened.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt But the same year that the Matterhorn opened several other attractions in that are - the Monorail, Fantasyland Autopia, and The Submarine Voyage - opened as well. So, essentially the entire northeast quandrant of the park was filled in with attractions. The positioning of the Matterhorn in proximity to such diverse attractions was obviously planned and quite deliberate, with little or nor concern given to the surrounding themes.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 I think back when Matterhorn opened there was an effort to have some new rides in Tommorrowland since it was really lacking in them. since FaL had so many rides already, in fact the most in anyland. They decided to put matterhorn in tommorland temporairly until more rides opened." But I happen to own acouple of 1959 E tickets, and sure enough they place it in Fantasyland. So does the 1959 attraction poster, and that never changed. The 60's guidebooks said TL for some reason (maybe to up the attraction count in the books for TL, who knows), but it was always "really" in FaL, which makes more sense since it's Euro, and has nothing to do with the future, at a time when they cared about that for TL.
Originally Posted By wdi_emman Dave Smith says that the Matterhorn is the only Disney attraction to have been "moved", meaning that is really was in TL and transferred in to FL, this is the Disney archivist we are talking about...
Originally Posted By Dabob2 That's a little bit of an in joke among Disney historians, since of course the Matterhorn has never physically moved. The guidebooks used to "place" it in TL, from 1959 up until about 1973. But the E-tickets and the posters always placed it in Fantasyland during the SAME time period. And of course it was never thematically related to "tomorrow" and at least was European. Why they were of "two minds" about it in the official materials is a strange question. But it was NEVER placed "only" in TL in the official materials.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros Didn't the canoes 'move' as well? Originally, I believe they were part of Frontierland (maybe part of the Indian Village), and they are currently in Critter Country. And there are several attractions that have moved literally as well: Great Moments with Mr Lincoln, it's a small world, Primeval World Diorama, Carousel of Progress (twice!), and Mickey Mouse Revue.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 The canoes were originally FrL, yes, before there was a Bear Country (now Critter Country). They didn't move physically, but that corner of FrL was designated as something else.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA I think every online community needs the likes of a Jonvn or a Spirit of 74 to balance out some of the 'Disney-can-do-no-wrong-because-they're-awesome' mouth breathers. Just sayin'
Originally Posted By Spyderman The space for the attraction is very small are they going to be expanding the area? They can't really do much with the space there.
Originally Posted By Hista98 The canoes were originally FrL, yes, before there was a Bear Country (now Critter Country). They didn't move physically, but that corner of FrL was designated as something else Matterhron didn't move either, it's wierd that he says that.
Originally Posted By oc_dean Okay ... fast forward to early November, here ... past all the chatter here not related to a double decker LM ...... what do you all think will happen? In the ensuing weeks of talking about everything in this topic except whether LM will be double-decker .... excavation continues .... and it seems they are digging fairly deep in there. Any thoughts this could be double-decker?
Originally Posted By FerretAfros That hole is getting pretty big. I don't know if the actual ride will be double decker, but it appears that there will be a large basement under it, if nothing else. Looking at Google Earth, it looks like the Golden Dreams complex is somewhere between the size of the Buzz/Store Command building and the HM showbuilding. Depending on how that space gets laid out, there could be a very long ride woven through there. With that said, I'm still not convinced that there's enough pysical room on that plot of land for them to effectively build a 2-story attraction. Getting up or down a floor would require a rather long ramp, and it would be really tough to work it into the story of the attraction so that it didn't just look like a ramp/hill. The Golden Afternoon room in Alice and the hill into the graveyard in the Haunted Mansion are both painfully functional, to the point that it's pretty obvious to the riders. Given how much space two ramps (up and down) would take up on that plot of land, I'm not convinced that they would have enough room between them to tell the story like they want to.
Originally Posted By Yookeroo "Getting up or down a floor would require a rather long ramp, and it would be really tough to work it into the story of the attraction so that it didn't just look like a ramp/hill. The Golden Afternoon room in Alice and the hill into the graveyard in the Haunted Mansion are both painfully functional, to the point that it's pretty obvious to the riders." Is this really a problem? I've been riding both since I was a kid, and while it's pretty obvious that we were moving up or down, it never took me out of the ride.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt Actually the ramps in HM are part of the story. As you go up you are ascending stairs to the the second floor, and going down you are "climbing" out of the attic window and down the roof into the graveyard.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros But neither of the HM ramps are actually tall enough to get to another floor with show-height ceilings. Horizions, World of Motion, and Spaceship Earth are (to my knowledge) the only omnivmovers that travel(ed) directly over themselves. I'm not saying that it couldn't be done, but it's a lot of work for the ammount of space they have there. I hope they work something like that out, as it would make for a very nice length ride, but I also wouldn't be disappointed if they didn't do it.
Originally Posted By Daannzzz Perhaps with the depth of the building combined with how tall the building will be (it doesn't look diminutive)they can get two complete levels out of it.
Originally Posted By Bellella I'm glad they're finally building that Little Mermaid ride. Now can they for Pete's sake stop loading characters on rides. Bad enough they've wrecked Pirates and Small World.
