Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Well, again, it's one of those things that wind up being the thing that sinks a candidate. We seem to be looking for some flawless individual. We won't find one.
Originally Posted By ReadingMom At the risk of sounding like an idiot....what is the difference between a delegate and a superdelegate?
Originally Posted By ReadingMom At the risk of sounding like an idiot....what is the difference between a delegate and a superdelegate?
Originally Posted By jonvn Superdelegates are party hacks and can vote for whoever they want regardless as to how their state voted. Regular delegates are pledged to vote for whomever they are supposed to, at least on the first ballot.
Originally Posted By jonvn If they do pay attention to polls then maybe they'll be going for Clinton. She has now pulled ahead of Obama. <a href="http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4487391" target="_blank">http://abcnews.go.com/Politics /wireStory?id=4487391</a>
Originally Posted By jonvn Meanwhile, Obama is spinning this as best he can: <a href="http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4495865&page=1" target="_blank">http://abcnews.go.com/Politics /Vote2008/story?id=4495865&page=1</a> What a joke. He's the new above the fray candidate doing exactly what all the others do. People in this country are such suckers in falling for this guy's baloney.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>People in this country are such suckers in falling for this guy's baloney.<< I'm very confused. On the one hand, you say that people won't vote for him because they are inherently racist. Blacks will, but that's due to racism, too. And yet, anyone who believes what he says is a sucker. And that you'd likely vote for him just because he's a Democrat and you don't think the GOP deserves another 4 years. It seems all over the map to me.
Originally Posted By gadzuux Thanks for the kind words. Hillary has NOT "pulled ahead" of obama in anything other than a poll. When it comes to what counts - delegates, states, popular VOTES - obama continues to lead - just as he has since the first day of voting. Sounds like obama isn't the only one doing the spinning.
Originally Posted By jonvn "And yet, anyone who believes what he says is a sucker." The people who think he is a different sort of candidate are. He's not. "you say that people won't vote for him because they are inherently racist." Yes. "Blacks will, but that's due to racism, too." Yes. Of course this is not a 100% thing for any of it. I'm saying these things in the general case. "And that you'd likely vote for him just because he's a Democrat and you don't think the GOP deserves another 4 years." If he's the nominee, I'll probably vote for him. Is one only allowed to say only positive things about candidates and negatives about the others? Or can there be a mix?
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan It's an interesting poll. In April. A few months ago, it was a very different result. It'll likely change umpteen times between now and then based on any number of things -- embarassing revelations, gaffes, catchy phrases, the weather, the economy, Iraq, and so on and so forth.
Originally Posted By jonvn "Hillary has NOT "pulled ahead" of obama in anything other than a poll." This is sort of the point, yes. This is the first statistically significant change since February. I find it always funny that when the polls favor a candidate they are pointed to and people say SEE! But when it goes against them, it's just a poll. Everyone does this. It's funny.
Originally Posted By jonvn "It'll likely change umpteen times between now and then based on any number of things " It might. It will play out one way or another. The thing is that people keep wanting to say IT'S OVER! And it's not quite just yet.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Is one only allowed to say only positive things about candidates and negatives about the others? Or can there be a mix?<< Of course it can be mixed. But again, the statements you make are so sweeping and often polar opposites of previous statements, that it left me confused, that's all. In other words, it would be odd to say that McCain brings nothing new to the table and will likely continue the ruinous policies of the currrent administration, but I'll vote for him anyway. See what I mean?
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan My prediction is that whichever of the Democratic candidates does not get the nomination, there will be many who pine for that person. Some future poll will reveal that whichever one didn't get the nomination "could have" beaten McCain or something, IF the Democrats go on to lose. If McCain loses, watch for polls that say GOP voters really wanted Romney all along, or something. This is something that happens, too. Count on it.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan A vote is really a self-selecting poll of hw people feel at a particular moment in time AND are committed enough to bother to vote. That's a key factor, because there's no way to know how many folks in a survey will really go and vote. That's why when people are leading in polls among young people, it isn't a big deal. Because sadly, many young people don't bother to vote. If you want to know who'll win, poll seniors. They bother to vote.
Originally Posted By jonvn "In other words, it would be odd to say that McCain brings nothing new to the table and will likely continue the ruinous policies of the currrent administration, but I'll vote for him anyway." I don't think Obama will be ruinous. He will be better than what we have now. I don't think Republicans should be rewarded with another term. Beyond that, Obama isn't the savior or anything different than any other politician. And that is the way to look at him in the least racist manner. Just another political jerk that's out for himself and who will do nothing for anyone else unless it benefits him.
