Originally Posted By ChiMike >>^^ MK has had poor stage shows for as long as I can remember.<< Yes, but I remember the stuff in Fantasyland, and even Mickey's B-Day show, being a little more amusing than the Cinderella stuff. Maybe because it was rubberheads and not a mix of face characters. I agree though MK has a bad track record. >>I'd prefer venues like the Galaxy to remain empty if it is only going to get filled with this stuff.<< I guess I disagree. Galaxy is a big waste of space. I do not believe MK, and DL for that matter, really needs a show venue anymore. MGM, DAK, & DCA really work better, IMO. At least DL's Fantasyland Theater is used. For Cinderella, they could do it anywhere, even bring back the old Fantasyland Faire stage. For me, using the Castle is another issue of Entertainment hijacking the park for what they deem important. They want the castle as the backdrop for all the pomp and circumstance of a poorly written show. I believe that more people would rather have easy access to the Castle/FL than have the castle sit there blocked off to only serve as a set piece.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>I always thought it was crazy not to have a decent show in the park. The park really is crying out for a Hyperion. 8k of people disappearing from the sidewalks every day for 30 minutes to an hour would help the park immeasurably.<< I'm sure we agree that the problem with Galaxy is it's location. However, I really believe they (operationally) and the resort guests are better served with these shows at MGM & DAK.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>Gee, I'm sorry....I didn't know that something I thought I liked was actually "putrid." In the future I'll have to check first at Laughingplace to find out if I should like something or not.<< Whoa ssWEDguy. I thought I was pretty clear that it was my opinion. My opinions are pretty jaded, so I don't mind when people disagree w/ 'em. Just, please, don't take my POVs as any more than what they are. It's not an attack on your right to an opinion. Your opinion is not putrid, imo, the shows are.
Originally Posted By Skellington88 They should stop using the Castle for a stage show its really stupid and annoying.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>The TDL show is a little more plussed but otherwise the same (the Lights of Romance were beautiful though).<< Actually "much more plusses" IMHO... Night lighting, fiberoptic stage, more performers, Classic Disney characters galore.. a much more handsome Charming... the farewell greeting around the Hub after the stage coronation concluded... Let's be fair here Leemac. >>Turgid story, sexist dialogue and terrible music.<< Yes, agreed. This is where the MK's version went south for me... TDL's version was a musical show with minimal blah blah blah... It was all eye candy like only TDL could produce. >>The sooner it gets tugged the better.<< Agreed again... after one year of this show at WDW and 4 years at TDL... Cinderellabration has become stale. Catch it at TDL once again people this January!! Farewell season!! ...and see why WDW's version sucked.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>MK has had poor stage shows for as long as I can remember. I'd prefer venues like the Galaxy to remain empty if it is only going to get filled with this stuff.<< Let's face it Lee. You were born *after* WDW stopped having BIG! shows... Let's go back down memory lane... shall we? Who can remember the *original* "Cinderellabration" show at the MK on New Year's Eves thru the 70's?? Who can remember the 4th of July Star Spangle Spectacular or the "Sparkling Xmas Spectacular" shows that used to grace the Castle Stage during holidays... Or how about the "Tencennial Birthday Party" castle show back in 1981..Or over at the Tomorrowland Theater.. (or Galaxy Theater for those who do not remember that far back...) when shows like "Disney World Is your World" or "Show Biz Is" (not the same one from TDS Lee) used to pack this venue to standing room only.... THOSE were the glorious days of entertainment at WDW, and memories that will last me a lifetime.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 ^^Some of us do remember those days, TDLFAN. Back before the MK was WalMarted. If you want real quality stage shows go to DLP and see Lion King or Tarzan Encounter. Or (even though I know you don't like it) go see Aladdin at DCA. WDW doesn't provide more than insipid foamhead 'entertainment' and character meet-and-greets because that's what the Orlando execs believe tourists want.
Originally Posted By leemac <<I'm sure we agree that the problem with Galaxy is it's location. However, I really believe they (operationally) and the resort guests are better served with these shows at MGM & DAK.>> Sort of. The design of the theater is awful too. So open and exposed that there is little they can do with it. Both D-MGM and DAK are show-heavier to keep guests in the park longer. MK doesn't have that issue and that is why I don't think anything will change any time soon. <<WDW doesn't provide more than insipid foamhead 'entertainment' and character meet-and-greets because that's what the Orlando execs believe tourists want.>> The point is that they are right. Tourists don't seem to mind there being no shows at MK. I wish there was at least one decent show at MK but then DL's Snow Whte is pretty dire and TDL's One Man's Dream II and Minnie O Minnie aren't much better. DLP and HKDL's shows are excellent but overall it is a mixed bag as far as the Magic Kingdoms go.
Originally Posted By leemac <<Actually "much more plusses" IMHO... Night lighting, fiberoptic stage, more performers, Classic Disney characters galore.. a much more handsome Charming... the farewell greeting around the Hub after the stage coronation concluded... Let's be fair here Leemac.>> My problem with a lot of TDR shows. Lets go with quantity rather than quality. Throw performers at it to make up for a bad show. That is the TDR model right now and although I know Legend of Mythica will change that it doesn't make up for a lot of bad shows in the past few years.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>That is the TDR model right now and although I know Legend of Mythica will change that it doesn't make up for a lot of bad shows in the past few years.<< They are only bad shows to you Lee. The fact that we still get big and lavish productions is a testament to the fact that the majority of guests do enjoy them. Me included. As for Mythica... yes, it will be a big production...and yet, I am still cynical about it. I will reserve my opinion for the day I get to see it. Mr. Flamboyant Imagineer Steven seems to favor the "over the top" approach..
Originally Posted By leemac <<The fact that we still get big and lavish productions is a testament to the fact that the majority of guests do enjoy them.>> I wouldn't call product like One Man's Dream II, Minnie O Minnie, Gift of Dreams etc. big or lavish. The Legend of Mythica is incredible. Everything works in that show from the music to the sets to the performers. It is exactly what TDS needs. It is the anti-Porto Paradiso Water Carnival.
Originally Posted By leemac <<"over the top" approach>> That it is. But it isn't over the top of the sake of it. It tells a compelling story. Too often the locally produced shows like Aladdin's Whole New World throws everything out at once and then there are no surprises. Mythica has surprises by the boatload.
Originally Posted By tonyanton TDLFAN...I remember both "Show Biz Is" and "Disney World is Your World" at the old Tomorrowland Stage...amazing that they still remain in mind mind over 20 years later. I think the castle shows went downhill after the got rid of the Kids in the Kingdom. And I miss them having any real entertainment at the Diamond Horseshoe.
Originally Posted By leemac For some reason MK management has a phobia about Disney Creative Entertainment as they don't use them. Cinderellabration was re-tooled by the local team in WDW and the re-working of the Share a Dream Come True parade is also being done in-house.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>I wouldn't call product like One Man's Dream II, Minnie O Minnie, Gift of Dreams etc. big or lavish.<< They are when compared to WDW's offerings of late, or lack of... and that has always been my point about TDR's productions. As for Mythica.. yes, I am looking forward to the many surprises it will unveiled as the show goes on... especially how floating stages will evolve and grow taller, etc etc. Looking forward to seeing Mickey 60 feet above the lagoon.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>I think the castle shows went downhill after the got rid of the Kids in the Kingdom. And I miss them having any real entertainment at the Diamond Horseshoe.<< I agree tonyanton. Lucky for us, TDL still has some decent entertainment shows at the Diamond Horseshow.. two different shows daily in fact.
Originally Posted By tonyanton I know...the few times I've been to TDL have been pretty crowded periods, so I did not go. I am going to try for next time though.
Originally Posted By leemac <<seeing Mickey 60 feet above the lagoon.>> The poor Diamond Goddess will be 78 feet above the lagoon!
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 "Agreed again... after one year of this show at WDW and 4 years at TDL... Cinderellabration has become stale. Catch it at TDL once again people this January!! Farewell season!! ...and see why WDW's version sucked." It's coming back AGAIN?? This better be the "Final" season!! This is the longest TDL has run a show, right, 5 years? "The Legend of Mythica is incredible. Everything works in that show from the music to the sets to the performers. It is exactly what TDS needs. It is the anti-Porto Paradiso Water Carnival." How do you know this, have you seen it yet? I know you've probably seen all of the details and concepts, but how can you say it's incredible if it's not been performed yet?
