Originally Posted By Dabob2 I doubt we'll know how many unless Westsider or some cm can tell us if blackout passes are used more often this summer.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones I would actually like to see the show, but the annual passholder situation has made the parks a cluster-f of unimaginable proportions. I'll wait until the heat dies down.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "But they wouldn't have to pay that much, would they? If they have AP's, wouldn't they just pay the blackout fee to attend on a blackout day, which is what - 40 bucks?" Oh, I didn't know that there was a blackout fee. I suppose it would all depend on how willing someone would be to shell out more money on top of whatever they'd paid for the AP, plus food and other expenses. In any case, I commend Disney for trying to control the crowds coming through the gates. I'm more concerned about this close early business that Al was talking about. If I have to spend half the afternoon in a holding pen waiting for the show, finally see the show, and then a big chunk of the park is closed after 8pm it will certainly make a less appealing place to visit for me.
Originally Posted By tashajilek ^^ Agreed. Also if they close down all the surrounding rides when WOC is on then whats left to go on? After the show there will be heards running over to DL.
Originally Posted By gadzuux Even worse is to be corralled in a 'closed' theme park from 8pm to 11:30 waiting for the show. No amount of DJs is going to make that seem okay.
Originally Posted By mousermerf Park closes at 10pm, so it's just the pier. Which is... what? Maliboomer, Fun Wheel, Screamin, "jewel", Jumpin Jellies, Zephyr, and maybe Mulholland? So the rest of the park is open until 10, with the corral likely opening at 10pm, and moving the show location at like 10:30-45. Not too bad. I have doubts it will stay that popular for that long, at least enough to warrent the DJ's and etc.. And side note - it's like 10pm. Why not use the Warf dining area? It's closer, relatively "open" and you can feed the people should you so choose.
Originally Posted By mousermerf Btw, park tickets for MNSSHP and MVMCP allow entry at 4:30pm into the Magic Kingdom. Now the parties start promptly at 7pm when the park closes, but there used to be a 1 hour park-clear gap. Everyone who got there in the 4:30-7pm gap (maybe it was 6pm? regardless it was an hour) was corralled into holding areas around the park. Liberty Square was one of them - and there's nothing to do in Liberty Square. No one complained, they just hung out and waited. It was known, given, and expected. If they inform people, people can make the choice to comply or not.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones It really doesn't sound like a good time no matter which way you slice it. They should have created a show viewable and enjoyable from many different angles, such as the way BraviSEAmo! is handled at Tokyo DisneySea. There are certainly one or two "preferred" spots to watch the show from, but it's very watchable from nearly all angles.
Originally Posted By tashajilek TSM would also be closed. If i were there and everything on PP was closed the only ride i would go on is TOT. I would imagine there would be many angry people with PP closed.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Which is... what? Maliboomer, Fun Wheel, Screamin, "jewel", Jumpin Jellies, Zephyr, and maybe Mulholland?" You just rattled off 7 attractions not including TSMM. That's a lot ride capacity shut down when the there are expected to be the most people in the park, especially considering that Screamin is one of the most popular rides in the whole resort. It will be interesting to see how this all pans out... I certainly won't be planning a down there until I hear the reports. "They should have created a show viewable and enjoyable from many different angles, such as the way BraviSEAmo! is handled at Tokyo DisneySea." Yes, and up until recently I assumed that a casual viewer could watch the show from any angle. I think that the viewing area should be a first come first serve thing and cordoned off late afternoon to allow the first audience to begin assembling. This holding thing sounds like something that I'll hate. "MNSSHP and MVMCP" What?
Originally Posted By Bob Paris 1 Mickey's Not So Scary Halloween Party Mickey's Very Merry Christmas Party Otherwise known as, gauging the guests one more time. They are organize extra events you have to pay for and in the case of the Xmas party, it's almost paying AGAIN for pretty much what they used to give for free. Gotta love Disney! Rolls eyes
Originally Posted By Bob Paris 1 Oh GOD! I did that thing I HATE seeing otherse do. "They are organize extra events you have to pay for" That is, "They are ORGANIZED...." There is a poster in the TDR section who must be missing an "s" and "d" key on his board because he cannot pluralize(as in "They want the best for guest who visit the park")and he cannot "ed" the end of words(see what I did above). I am actually starting to think he's a little bit, how do you Americans say it, "Special Ed"?
Originally Posted By gadzuux The worst of that is having to pay extra for the fireworks show. The regular paying guests are shooed out the gate so that the 'extra special' guests who paid for the separate ticket can enjoy the fireworks over the castle. That's just wrong.
Originally Posted By mousermerf Eh, I always had tickets so it didn't feel wrong to me. Gotta get the rabble out so I can enjoy the park.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 It really is. I did the Xmas party thing once because we had a 4 year old on the group, but it really was kind of a ripoff. I think TSMM is supposed to remain open. No reason it shouldn't.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt Well it's know wonder that these people didn't complain about waiting in Liberty Square. They are basically unacquainted with the event or suckers for anything Disney shells out. Disneyland Resort shouldn't expect a love fest from the average DL guest just trying to visit DCA and hit a few rides with their family and friends if seeing the show is a hassle and a large section of the park is closed during the show. Being herded around for several hours before the start of WOC, and then fighting for a good viewing spot will not put me in the best of moods on a hot summer day. Of course it could all turn out fine. I certainly do hope for the best. We'll see.
Originally Posted By mousermerf I haven't done the christmas party in a while. Did they ditch the free cocoa and gingerbread cookies? I recall sitting at the train station balcony huddled in a blankie with my family and being the only people up there for the parade. Then we went back to our room at the Contemporary when it was still those atrocious color schemes and planned our day at Epcot.
