Originally Posted By FiveBearRugs I had Redd Rocket's for the first time last Labor Day... I must say that the pizza was pretty darn good for theme-park style pizza (my sister and I had Pizza Planet at MGM a few years ago).
Originally Posted By lvwayne I think they should change innovations to a time machine ride and tie it into future and go into the past. Add some dinosaurs, then make your way back into the present time. You could very easily make it a e-ticket ride and still keep the theme of the area.
Originally Posted By Gonzo Mission Space is one truly amazing attraction. And now that there are two sides to the attraction Mild and Rough it is family friendly. The ride only suffers from to much bad press and just being unlucky. This is a one of a kind Disney attraction. I do not understand the people on these boards sometimes.
Originally Posted By oc_dean I don't think it takes being a rocket scientest to understand the fundamental problems with Mission:Space.
Originally Posted By Inspector 57 <<So, is Tomorrowland "whole" again once Nemo opens, or is more needed? Or will it ever be up to par with years gone by? It seems that Buzz, Nemo, Autopia, and HITSA are all noticeable improvements over what existed in their space before/previous incarnations.>> <<IMO, the problem with Tomorrowland isn't the number of attractions, it's the vision... or lack of it.>> I agree with trekkeruss. While I lament (a) the decline in the number of attractions in Tomorrowland, (b) the fact that there have been such obvious visual "holes" there (the unused PeopleMover track, the unused lagoon), (c) the loss of its once-wonderful kinetics, and (d) the quality of recent attractions (Innovations, for one)... I think the biggest loss has been that of a cohesive vision, a "Tomorrowland-y" FEEL to Tomorrowland. Granted, not all of the now-gone-and-missed TL attractions contributed to a futuristic theme. Tomorrowland has never been perfect. But, for example... The original Submarine Voyage supported the theme of Tomorrowland because nuclear subs were -- at the time -- exciting new inventions in real life. (So, by definition, they weren't from the future -- but close enough.) And the attraction's technology was new and exciting. But now... that attraction's no-longer-cutting-edge infrastructure is going to support a ride about the present-day adventures of a cartoon fish. Sure, the special effects will be good. But, in my mind, filling the lagoon with an attraction about a pop culture character DIMINISHES rather than enhances Tomorrowland. Same with Buzz. I enjoy the attraction. But it waters down the theme of Tomorrowland. As do Autopia and HISTA, for that matter. Neither has anything to do with any version of The Future.
Originally Posted By lesmisfan i dont believe TL is a whole again. Close, way closer than what it was a few years ago. but once they do something with the peoplemover track, and replace HISTA and either innoventions or pizza port with an attraction then we can talk about it being whole again.
Originally Posted By oc_dean You know ... in the '67 renovation .... Autopia/Subs/Monorail remained opened while the 'city' section of the Tomorrowland was under construction. They just ran a construction wall right across from the train station that ran parallel to Skyway. The way things are setting themselves up for ....... is a repeat .... with a completed "north/east" quadrant ... while I feel NOTHING is sacred in the "city" section. Granted .. the interior for Buzz, the 4 flight simulator bay for Star Tours.. and Space Mountain itself are just fine ........ everything else is just setting itself up for a total rip-out! I can dream can I? :/
Originally Posted By oc_dean Look at it all piece by piece..... *Innoventions (.. and they're going to keep this turkey for another decade??? - seems unlikely) *Red Rockets (poorly placed, there are better locations, and this is WAY TOO prime a spot for an attraction) *HISTA (Disney is horrible at replacing it's 3D films on a timely basis. They get too dated too quickly. Rip it out!) *Starcade (When this opened in 1977 .. was there such thing as X-Box in every household?!) *Star Tours (Granted, an attraction that can be renewed with a remodeled facade/entrance) *Astro Orbitor (I noticed today this is getting raddy around the base - maybe it's almost time to demolish this area soon!!) *Peoplemover track (Hopefully a new ride) *Tomorrowland Terrace (While the Rolly Crump piece is back, what about the other 90% of this old, dated, and obsolete restaurant facility that was due to get the double-decker treatment for TL:2055?!) So ... look around ... look at everything .... Old 1967 structures. Come on!! And the white and blue paint from the 50th celebration is suppose to make this dated land look good for another 20 years???? GIVE ME STRENGTH!! Everywhere one looks .... One by One .. IT SHOULD ALL GO! New building facades for the rides that should stay ... and I see three locations for all new attraction sites: HISTA, INNOVENTIONS, AND RED-ROCKETS. Not to mention updated treats on the Peoplemover track, and Star Tours. I see a place with new and updated attractions that would make the '67 renovation pale by comparison!
Originally Posted By ChurroMonster What I would do to Tomorrowland: 1. Replace the Peoplemover in some form on the same beamway. 2. Reroute the Space Mountain entrance through the Starcade space, utilizing the upstairs air-conditioned space rather than the sun-baked roof of HISTA. 3. Enclose the old Space Place/ Space Mountain entrance area and connect it to.... 4. ...the shuttered RRPP. Shut down that restaurant and use the space, with the adjoining terraced dining area, for a new attraction. 5. Remodel Innoventions so that there is no pre-show and it only takes up the bottom level. As I said before, a revolving high-class restaurant would take up the top level. 6. Update Star Tours with a new (and digital) film. Even better FOUR new films...err videos. And freshen up the queue a bit. That multi-screen thing is hardly even visible anymore. 7. Renovate the facades of the buildings of the entire land. Stone walls with lush foliage all around could be a nice look. 8. For heaven's sake make the Autopia ELECTRIC! If that means dropping a sponsor so be it. I know, I know. But we're dreaming here. 9. Create some kind of thematic barrier between the renovated Innoventions building and Nemo so that the Subs can be plausibly annexed onto Fantasyland. 10. Return the Astro Orbiter to the center of TL or remove it altogether. It serves no purpose at the entrance to the land. 11. Get rid of the TL DLRR station. Retheme the Dinosaur tunnel to some kind of time warp. Retheme the Grand Canyon to some other interesting time period to continue the time warp. 12. Remove HISTA and the 3-D theater altogether. It's a technology that is beyond its relevance. Convert the space back into an outdoor live performance theater. This would, in turn, free up the Fantasyland Theater for redevelopment. That's it for now....
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 "a revolving high-class restaurant would take up the top level." You know the top floor of the theater does not revolve, right? Only the bottom floor rotates. So any restaurant would have to be stationary up on the top floor. Still, it could be fun, especially if they had floor-to-ceiling glass windows with panoramic views of Tomorrowland.
Originally Posted By Nobody " "a revolving high-class restaurant would take up the top level." You know the top floor of the theater does not revolve, right? " I was just about to post the same thing. Putting a revolving restaurant up there wouldn't really be re-purposing the unique building. It sounds more like a complete tear-down and rebuild. Also, it's location on the edge of the park doesn't seem to lend itself to a great 360 degree view. (Unless of course you had some sort of really creative idea for a simulated view when you reach the back-stage or harbor Blvd. areas.)
Originally Posted By trekkeruss I don't think an exterior view is necessary. They could put the restaurant on the revolving ring at the bottom, with 'something' in the middle as the draw. Keep Innoventions on the upper level, or use that space for a new attraction.
Originally Posted By Sara Tonin If you use a simulated view, couldn't you just let the "view" revolve around the building since the top floor is stationary?
Originally Posted By Kayoss <<"So does anyone have a good idea for a "family" attraction that could inhabit the Innoventions building?" How about that Monster's themed comedy club from the Magic Kingdom?. LOL.>>> I was actually surprised at the very negative reaction from the fans over leaked artwork a couple of years back... which included a 'bumper car' like concept for the entire floorplan/floorspace of the circular structure. Granted, the furor was over replacing The Carosuel of Progress in WDW, which thankfully looks like it is safe, but could theoretically be used for Disneyland. Since I wasn't born when the "Flying Saucers" operated at Disneyland, I think an updated, modern, version of the concept of 'hovering bumper cars' (even IF it had to have a 'little green men' francisise tie-in, would be really really cool. A family attraction that is also a technical marvel. They could use a 'floaty' version of the Pooh LPS system. And while they're at it... make a portion outdoors, drawing the kenetic energy back to the exterior!
Originally Posted By Daannzzz Or they could leave the restaurant with the huge windows on the top floor and charge a premium for window seats during the fireworks!
Originally Posted By netenyahoo The new Peoplemover could go through the restaurant too which would be kind of fun and unique.
Originally Posted By wonderingalice If I had to choose THE worst "attraction" ever at Disneyland, it would be Innoventions. I've been in there twice - once when it was fairly new and Mr. Alice and I visited in December 2006. It bites royally. The computer stuff isn't dazzling and many of them didn't even work while we were there. Granted, we were too early for Asimov - which we would have liked to see - but who's going to go through that unbearable place over and over again, or wait through the intro again after leaving for awhile? Bleecch. I like the idea of a Time Machine attraction in there. A restaurant would be cool, too... especially downstairs - with maybe a five-act (there were five bits to Carousel of Progress, yes? Loved it, but it's been so long gond...) performance of some sort to entertain diners for each course. Mission Space... Even a 'mild' version would make me sick. *Shrug* Starcade is just ridiculous - get it out of there. (And yes... use it for the Space Mountain queue.) HISTA... We enjoy it, but wouldn't miss it if it's replaced. And we seldom ride Star Tours anymore. PeopleMover... Yep. I can honestly say we'd ride it at least twice a day... for fun and for the relaxing nature of it. I truly hope it's the next big addition to Tomorrowland.
Originally Posted By ArchtMig I will be much happier with Tomorrowland if the following things happen: A) a much stronger Innoventions, B) a good replacement for HISTA, C) new film/storyline/program/in-cabin effects for Star Tours, D) new, fun, THEMED ride on the Peoplemover track, E) move AstroOrbiter/Rocket Jets back up to the roof of the Peoplemover station where they belong. To elaborate: A) Innoventions. It has never lived up to its promise, and in fact, most of the computer based displays/technology are sadly dated. I agree that the format of making people stand through the stupid opening shows has got to go away. Just let us queue up for the next available door to come around and open, and then just let us stream in and go off on our own and explore the place as we want to. These greeters that herd you around the first show are the most annoying people in Disneyland. We went in Innoventions for the first time in years recently, mostly to see Asimo, which we had not yet seen. The witch that greeted us tried to force us to stick around first to watch the "Home" show, but Asimo was due to start in 2 1/2 minutes, and we practically had to YELL at her to let us go so we could make the show. Get rid of those opening shows - and the Tom Morrow robot who does nothing more than introduce the building to all of us who've already been there a hundred times before - and anything with a computer screen that uses software that you could already buy at Kmart for years now... and replace it all with more stuff like Asimo, the Stitch Phone Booth, The Virtual Resort, and the thing that takes your picture and shows how you would look 50 years from now. Those are the things that are unique and can't be found at home... the rest is pedestrian, and needs to be torched. And no, I would not bring Mission Space to Anaheim. As cool as I think it is, I don't think it has the repeatability factor to the local return AP crowd as much as it is more likely to stay popular in Florida, where most of the visitors fly in on vacation and don't come multiple times a year. B) HISTA - stale and predictable... same thing happens with ANY 3D film based attraction over time. I've said it before and I'll say it again... turn the HISTA theater into the Tomorrowland 3D Cinema, and keep rotating in and out new, fresh, creative short 3D features made by Hollywood filmmakers, film students, whoever. These flicks could be made relatively cheaply, and WDI wouldn't have to keep remodeling the theater with different in-theater effects. Just put in a good sound system, a state of the art digital projection system, and a (relatively) frequently updated roster of fun, creative films, and the place will always be fresh and popular. There is no shortage of good ideas and creativity out there, just the time and expense to implement the overblown ones. I vote for keeping it fun, simple, and fresh, and yeah, I would want to get back into the theater to see the latest little flick each time a new one is put in. C) Star Tours. Can you believe it's been there for 20 years or more now? Beyond time to freshen it up. I still can't believe how effective the simulator sensations are. I really wish they would redo the storyline. D) PeopleMover. Tomorrowland will never seem complete as long as the track sits there empty and unused. The subs will add much needed visual movement to the area. What is really needed is the kinetic energy of some sort of conveyances regularly cruising along overhead on the peoplemover track. E) It was a crime to just plunk an exact copy of the Orbitron that was designed for Paris in the entrance to Anaheim's Tomorrowland. Bad in so many ways. Heck, even Hong Kong got at least a new paint job on theirs. Our silly golden one should be thrown on the same scrap heap with the golden giant hubcap sun thing from DCA. Put the Rocket Jets back up on the roof overlooking Tomorrowland, where they belong.
