Originally Posted By jonvn "the prewar evidence tying Al Qaeda to Iraq was tenuous, exaggerated and often at odds with the conclusions of key intelligence agencies." Greg Thielmann, formerly of the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research, said intelligence confirmed that Saddam and Al Qaeda were "mortal enemies." Osama bin Laden often denounced Saddam Hussein as "an infidel."
Originally Posted By DyGDisney I think you can support the troups without supporting the war. The soldiers VOLUNTEERED to help protect our country, which is not what this war is about. William is suffering the same emotional problems that a lot of soldiers suffer after war, any war. It's not a political discussion about the war, because as some of the posters said, their Dad's felt the same way after WWII. Which was a war fought to defend our country.
Originally Posted By jonvn So, I don't think they were the best of friends, even though the Administration is trying to paint it that way. This is why this war is so messed up. They wanted to invade Iraq, no matter what, while the real criminals got away in Afghanistan and Iran. We should have invaded Iran, and no one would have said a thing, because they are a terrorist sponsoring nation.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<Ahh, I see the problem. You can't read. I never said that. I said there were no links to 9/11, as Bush has said, meaning Bush said there were no 9/11-Iraq links>> Thats not what you meant and the rest of your post was even worse and full of false statements that have been taken apart in the last two years. But now that you want to push the My Lai deal on our Marines today we know all we need to know about where you stand.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy << The soldiers VOLUNTEERED to help protect our country, which is not what this war is about. >> Then why are we in Iraq? The soldiers will tell you that they are in Iraq to protect our country and to fight terrorism. Why would you say they are wrong?
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Originally Posted By jonvn wait, why were all those posts removed? Was it because they were off topic? Because I didn't think they were offensive otherwise....
Originally Posted By Beaumandy Neither did I jonvn. You did a good job trying to spin the facts for STPH and I was looking forward to a nice debate.
Originally Posted By jonvn If it was because they were off topic, then maybe a new topic should be created for them. In any case, about the topic, when my father came back from WWII, he said he had to sleep balled up under his bead for months. Any loud noises made him jump out of his skin. These guys just sucked it up. There was no help for them. They were a tough generation.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy No argument there. Todays soldier gets more support than ever before and they deserve it. Murtha excluded.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 I live in NY, and for several months after 9/11, I jumped at least a little every time I heard an airplane overhead. Not for long, but it was an instinctive, visceral reaction that I couldn't help. Multiply that many-fold for people who have been in actual combat. Not all, of course - everyone will react differently - but plenty. Doesn't make them weak, it just makes them human - and we have thousands of these humans coming back, and reports of cuts in mental health benefits for veterans, who have to wait months for it in many cases... that's a whole OTHER topic, I guess.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy << and we have thousands of these humans coming back, and reports of cuts in mental health benefits for veterans>> Do you have any proof of this? The military gets much more than they used to under the Bush administration. It's why 75% of them voted for him and not Kerry.
Originally Posted By mrichmondj The uniformed military gets far less under the current administration. Meanwhile, a larger and large slice of the military budget gets siphoned off to civilian defense contractors who are friendly with the administration. We've done a great job lining the pockets of defense contractors in the last 6 years, largely at the expense of military readiness and future capability.
Originally Posted By jonvn You're going to soon see a rash of crazy bad activity from gulf war veterans. We saw a lot of this during vietnam, where they'd come back strung out and nuts and do something violent. It'll be happening again here. Soon.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 << and we have thousands of these humans coming back, and reports of cuts in mental health benefits for veterans>> <Do you have any proof of this?> Of course, Beau. www.afge.org/Index.cfm?Page=PressReleases&PressReleaseID=585&print=pdf As so often, your ideology makes you ASSUME that Bush must be doing better by our veterans than previous administrations, but it's just not true. The question is, are you going to find a way to spin it or excuse it, or are you actually going to let it make you think?
Originally Posted By Beaumandy I can get you the exact opposite information that shows the Bush administration has given more to the VA and the militray. 75% of the military voted for Bush. Why is that? 75% voted against gay marriage... just wanted to throw that one in.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA So the military is pro-Bush and anti-Gay -- wow, big suprise there....
