Originally Posted By mickey_ring From an insensitive, image is everything corporate outlook, I wonder how long M:S will have HP/Compaq as a sponsor... Just a thought.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe LUV--I read the OS despite their antipathy for the World. Go figure as WDW put them in business and keeps them in business. I HAVE to read it everyday because of my interests there, but they do get me upset with the anti-disney spin.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe If they drop MS as a sponsor I won't buy three H P's which I intended to do for the office next month. It's their choice and mine. I love my H.P at home here but.........
Originally Posted By LuvDatDisney ^^Capecodjoe, you seem to be one of those people who feel Orlando is simply WDW and nothing else and none of us wuld survive or have indoor plumbing if not for the Mouse. The O-Sentinel has no antipathy for WDW. I have no clue where this idea comes from except I guess some folks think it should function as Disney's PR firm. I'd luv to know what anti-Disney spin you seem to feel exist. Got any examples? And, FWIW, the Sentinel was here long before Walt ever flew over some swampland SW of town.
Originally Posted By pixiedust1 um, what's your point? During the same time period 2003-2006 the paramedics <<<came to M:S over 150 times, two people died, many went to the hospital. And that's just for one ride at WDW--far more than what you have listed for the entire resort at DL. I'm not quite sure what you're trying to prove??? The fact are: far more people died at WDW than at DL over the past five years.>>> Safety is safety.. I don't think you can point fingers at Florida and Disney for lack of safety rules and regulations... If anything Disney goes way past what they need to do as a Theme Park with dangerous rides or attractions... I was pointing out that accidents happen, even in a perfect environment as Disneyland as you said in your earlier thread.. I disagree with your assumption that safety measures are lax at Disney by both Florida safety depts and Disney safety depts... My one opinion is the same as yours... and Like you im sticking to it...
Originally Posted By cape cod joe I'll start accumulating e.g.'s if I have time. I thought it was just common knowledge to all the locals? Are you a local? I post all the time on the front page (three times last week) and I know the streets there better than the cape so I'm sorry that 90% of the business people on the ground AGREE with and have convinced me that the Os is negative anent the mouse. It seems you protesteth too much?? Just a thought I have with your post? You sound angry and defensive. I'm mellow, alone, with the fam out and about and stoked city so I have NO ax to grind at all.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Leemac--You're a local right? Tell poor Luv about the Sentinel. ONE e.g of where I'm getting it I know say 100 business people (not counting Buddy Dyer-who I e-mail and support- and pols like that) --mostly real estate people, bankers, suits, etc. Well Luv --around 90 as in 90% have convinced me that the OS is anti disney or at least "spins" that way. That should help you to understand where I got that idea. Nuts and bolts on the ground experience, and reading it for over a year now.
Originally Posted By pixiedust1 My PS to my last thread... Looking at the accident reports, I't may seem that we have a lot more irresponsible guests coming, and living in Florida... Most accidents due to human error on the guests part...
Originally Posted By cape cod joe P.S. LUV--Buddy is the mayor in Orlando who turned the entire downtown area around as well as the whole city and he went to Brown University in the 80's when my wife's father was the registrar there so tell me examples of how it's not anti-disney?
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <To equivicate the deaths (in terms of social costs) caused by amusement attractions with deaths caused by transit is simply rediculous.< you say it's ridiculous, but yet why ? Just because you say so ? The pressures exerted on the human body in airline travel have a correlation to pressures exerted by MS--is that hard to follow ? I don't care what the reason is you are on a plane, the impact on ones body is similar -- therefore I fail to see how you can call that ridiculous.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost As I implied before...I don't think that Mission Space DIRECTLY caused the death of these people. There was nothing broken or neglected that could be attributed to it. That being said, it must be obvious to most that what ever the ride has to offer in the form of "G" forces, etc. (not fear, it's just not that scary) is triggering a problem that preexisted. I don't want to think that but I cannot wrap my brain around any other explanation. Like I said, the experience is awesome and it might be just as awesome if it were toned down just a little. If you have never been on a space shuttle 2 "G's" might seem just as realistic, or maybe even less. It is too well thought out and creative attraction to abandon but a little tweaking may be in order so everyone can ride it without fear.
Originally Posted By LuvDatDisney "I'll start accumulating e.g.'s if I have time. I thought it was just common knowledge to all the locals? Are you a local?" Yes, I am. I've said that many times before. "I post all the time on the front page (three times last week) and I know the streets there better than the cape so I'm sorry that 90% of the business people on the ground AGREE with and have convinced me that the Os is negative anent the mouse." I haven't been to Cape Cod in 15 years. And it sure didn't appear dirty to me. But a part of Mass. is a whole lot different than a theme park. "It seems you protesteth too much?? Just a thought I have with your post? You sound angry and defensive. I'm mellow, alone, with the fam out and about and stoked city so I have NO ax to grind at all." You can think whatever you please. I am angry about the drop of standards at WDW as a DisneyLuver, stockholder and local resident. I'm not, however, defensive because I'm quite comfortable in the knowledge I possess. "Leemac--You're a local right? Tell poor Luv about the Sentinel." Leemac is not a local. Unless you consider the UK local. And I really don't want to take a swipe at him because we've been agreeing on a lot and discussing things in a civil, enjoyable manner, so all I'll say is that Lee has friends that work for Disney and probably don't like anything written about the Mouse that isn't positive and that can't help but wear off on him. "ONE e.g of where I'm getting it I know say 100 business people (not counting Buddy Dyer-who I e-mail and support- and pols like that) --mostly real estate people, bankers, suits, etc. Well Luv --around 90 as in 90% have convinced me that the OS is anti disney or at least "spins" that way. That should help you to understand where I got that idea. Nuts and bolts on the ground experience, and reading it for over a year now." Capecodjoe, I don't doubt that 90 of 100 business people you claim to know or have talked to would say the Sentinel is biased against Disney. They're business people and politicos, they know where their bread is buttered. Anything that paints any large company with ties to Central Fla. in a bad light wouldn't make them happy. They're inherently biased against fair coverage. And the Sentinel for years has been one of the most conservative (i.e pro-business newspapers in this country). It shocked me when they came out in favor of Kerry in the last election because they are a bastion of right-wing ideals on their editorial page and board. And sorry but your one year of reading the Sentinel doesn't equate to my decades of having it dropped on my porch. If I'm reading your posts here right, you're basically a parttime resident/real estate speculator with no longterm ties to the area. My roots run deep. "P.S. LUV--Buddy is the mayor in Orlando who turned the entire downtown area around as well as the whole city and he went to Brown University in the 80's when my wife's father was the registrar there so tell me examples of how it's not anti-disney?" You think I need to be told who Buddy Dyer is?! Name-dropping doesn't impress me much. There are plenty of names with a helluva lot more power than Buddy that I know, but I have no intention of placing their names, and how I know them, here. It's of zero importance what a politician like Dyer thinks of the Sentinel's coverage of anything.
Originally Posted By leemac <<Leemac--You're a local right?>> No, Joe I'm not. Might as well be seeing how much time I spent in WDW but I'm still technically based in London. The irony is that I have spent less time in London over the past few years than in the U.S. <<Lee has friends that work for Disney and probably don't like anything written about the Mouse that isn't positive and that can't help but wear off on him.>> That doesn't influence what I have to say at all. I can think of numerous cases where the Sentinel has published drivel or nonsense about WDW or tried to paint it negatively. I loved the "study" last weekend about police issuing more tickets on WDW roads. The fact that they either chose not to cover the Everest opening or weren't invited speaks volumes to me. I was amazed checking the paper last weekend that there wasn't a single word. I suspect a large part of my dislike for the newspaper is the lack of international reporting. It just feels so provincial to me and that is surprising considering a large number of their stories are sourced from the likes of AP, LA Times and Washington Post. Also the "decision" by Scott Powers (if it really was him) to post on the Everest lap bar topic on here just reinforced what an unprofessional organisation they really are.
Originally Posted By LuvDatDisney "That doesn't influence what I have to say at all. I can think of numerous cases where the Sentinel has published drivel or nonsense about WDW or tried to paint it negatively." Examples? "I loved the "study" last weekend about police issuing more tickets on WDW roads." It's true. What's your problem with it? Disney's roads aren't the safest and they finally did the responsible thing in asking local authorities to come in and have more of a presence. I don't see how this is Disney-bashing. It's fact. 20 years ago you'd never see ONE police car anywhere on property. You might see FHP parked where 192 and World Drive meet on busy egress periods. A truly negative piece would be if they tracked cars on property and then went after the CMs individually. "The fact that they either chose not to cover the Everest opening or weren't invited speaks volumes to me. I was amazed checking the paper last weekend that there wasn't a single word." They have written plenty about Everest since it was announced. I don't recall reading one negative word. Whether or not they were invited to a giant cocktail party really doesn't matter. And I'm reasonably sure they were. "I suspect a large part of my dislike for the newspaper is the lack of international reporting. It just feels so provincial to me and that is surprising considering a large number of their stories are sourced from the likes of AP, LA Times and Washington Post." I agree about that. It still has the feeling of a small-town paper it had 25 years ago. It hasn't grown up to meet the times. "Also the "decision" by Scott Powers (if it really was him) to post on the Everest lap bar topic on here just reinforced what an unprofessional organisation they really are." Hmmm...I didn't recall you being in that thread but maybe I missed something. I don't think their tourism writer should be a regular poster on a fan site, but if he was just trying to get the story out that a very minor incident did happen, I don't have a problem with it at all. Let's be realistic. These sites are quite powerful nowaways in getting stories out, sometimes you even have posted stuff here before it's been released by TWDC. Reporters troll these boards. That's a fact. I have no doubt that someone from the Sentinel does, whether it's Powers or someone else.
Originally Posted By leemac <<Whether or not they were invited to a giant cocktail party really doesn't matter. And I'm reasonably sure they were.>> Now now, it was more than just a big cocktail party. They announced a lot of Wildlife Fund grants and recognised CMs for their services to the environment too. I don't recall seeing that in the Sentinel (but I may have missed it I guess). Those announcements by Jay were significantly more important than opening the attraction (and took longer). I didn't read a review of Everest too I should say. They gave it a good one, did they?
Originally Posted By LuvDatDisney "Now now, it was more than just a big cocktail party." Yes, but that's the fun part ;-) "They announced a lot of Wildlife Fund grants and recognised CMs for their services to the environment too. I don't recall seeing that in the Sentinel (but I may have missed it I guess). Those announcements by Jay were significantly more important than opening the attraction (and took longer)." I wasn't in town the whole week Everest opened. Came back last Monday, so I didn't see the Sentinel those days, but I read it online and could have sworn I saw something. And I agree, the wildlife grants were more important than the attraction opening. "I didn't read a review of Everest too I should say. They gave it a good one, did they?" I know their columnist gave it a very good review. But that was when it was in soft openings. Don't know whether they did another, but I think they may have in their Calendar section.
Originally Posted By leemac <<Came back last Monday, so I didn't see the Sentinel those days, but I read it online and could have sworn I saw something.>> I probably should check. It would have been in our Headlines I guess. I tend not to sure the Sentinel's website as I don't find it very user-friendly.
Originally Posted By leemac <<I know their columnist gave it a very good review. But that was when it was in soft openings.>> As they should! It is a flawless E-ticket (especially now that WDI have made the stupid bird disappear whilst you are holding for the first track switch!). I just realised that I'm adding to the post count without discussing M:S's safety issues.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Man LUV--I just now read this stuff You are even worse than I thought! Name dropping. Are you employed? ZERO importance what Buddy thinks? Are you a fool? Real Estate values in Orlando have tripled in the last 5 years, and let me guess, you're one of the ones who said it couldn't last, hence you bought nothing and you are now embittered? Just guessing or your trailer park unit didn't increase that much? I hate this talk but you asked for it.
