Originally Posted By sherrytodd I bet that by next year (or sooner) it will be mostly forgotten by Joe Public, like most of the deaths have been. I don't think most people are keeping a running tally of Disney deaths. At most in a few years it will be, "hey isn't this the ride that someone once died on." "Yah, I think so, lets get in line, it is step number three in our guidebook." People have already forgotten about the guy who died on Splash Mountain, the guy who died on Dinosaur, the girl who had the heart attack on ToT, the girl who died in Typhoon Lagoon, etc, etc. Time will make the fears of the public go away. I think even today if you asked a bunch of people at Epcot, many wouldn't even know that someone died. Just because it may have been the news story of the day, it quickly get's replaced by the latest tragedy.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Sherry, of course that is true.....9500 people a day die in the US -- at various places and under various circumstances....if we avoided very place some one died at ....no one would move-- we'd be paralyzed ....in the subway, on a bus, on every road in this country, on plances, trains...in restaurants...at schools ---- you get my point.... I don't think we should be erecting monuments in each place...it is the circle of life ---- these are not murders, but deaths. Sad, and tragic for each immediate family to be sure, but no , no oneis going to remember more than the sensational ones for much time. <a href="http://www.intellectualloafing.com/activitiesfolder/estimationqsfolder/usdeathrate.htm" target="_blank">http://www.intellectualloafing .com/activitiesfolder/estimationqsfolder/usdeathrate.htm</a>
Originally Posted By BlazesOfFire I wonder if mission space will still be featured in the Top must sees of WDW?
Originally Posted By mrichmondj I wonder if M:S had been conceived as a larger pavillion with attractions aside from the space flight simulator, if it would prevent people who are susceptible to motion sickness or who have known health conditions to not ride the attraction? I guess what I'm wondering is that because M:S is billed as a "must see" attraction, if people choose to ride even if they know it is probably too intense for them. I'm wondering if the M:S pavillion had some other compelling attractions or exhibits to complement the space flight part, if fewer people in bad health would choose to do the "intense" portion of the attraction?
Originally Posted By dizneed Here are the preliminary results: <a href="http://www.wesh.com/news/8691906/detail.html" target="_blank">http://www.wesh.com/news/86919 06/detail.html</a> Our sympathies to the family.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost >>>I wonder if mission space will still be featured in the Top must sees of WDW?<<< It is to die for!! My unsolicited opinion is turn it down a notch. No one will know and if they can get another year without a "related" death the ride can be salvaged. The direction that has been taken by Disney and everyone else is that the ride contains no defects that caused anyone to die. Common Sense would have to dictate that, even though it was not the direct cause of the deaths, it, in all likelihood, presented a force that may have triggered the end result. That cannot be proved but as I said, common sense might lead one to believe that it could be happening. I am not sure how many G's that ride pulls but if you half it I'm sure that the effect will be just as noticeable and maybe more people will live to ride it a second time.
Originally Posted By Labuda "The ride itself? It was wild. It was dizzy. They had puke bags. I would never have gotten on it if I knew it had puke bags." And yet this guy flew to WDW for his vacation, flew back again, and I bet you he won't stop flying at ALL, though planes have vomit bags. Idiot.
Originally Posted By sherrytodd Disney claims that the ride pulls 2.5 G's, yet shortly after the last death of the little boy, a local news took instruments for reading G-forces on rides in the Orlando area, IOA and Disney and the max recording they got I believe was 1.7 on M:S compared to over 5 G's on the first inversion on Rockin' and 4 G's on the hulk coaster. I have a feeling that Disney has already toned it down, but has not annouced this fact as I'm sure part of the appeal of the ride is the wildness factor. I even think that part of all the warnings in the ride is partially marketing to promote this wildness factor. When we were there in October it seemed kind of toned down, but I just figured that it was because we have ridden it so many times already.
Originally Posted By englishboy Sherrytodd, we've been through all this before. It's not the Gs, per se, it's the sustained Gs. Coasters hit 3Gs or 5Gs for 1/10th of a second. The new ride system technology on M:S creates a sustained gravity environment. It's a new technology, used nowhere else, and IMO, based on the 142 paramedic calls and 2 deaths, WDW does not have control over the technology. That post a couple days ago about slowing all of the centrafuges might be an interesting one to consider. I'm no ride engineer. But that might make the ride safer. M:S received the most emergency calls of any ride in Orlando, including the coasters at Universal.
Originally Posted By sherrytodd englishboy, you have missed my point entirely. What I was saying is that readings on M:S are already lower then initially reported by Disney. I believe the ride has already been toned down, yet not announced by Disney. And there have already been extensive studies done by Nasa, the military and the amusement industry which have determined that the healthy human body can easily sustain 1.7 G's for the period of 12 seconds that is the maximum they have to endure on Mission Space and that this amount of g-force has little affect on the human body. As the G force increases there is less time that the human body can continue to endure it. For example, it was believed that roller coasters could not exceed 5 g's because the belief was that was the threshhold of human endurance, yet now the reality is that the human body can safely exceed these numbers for very brief periods of time without damage. That is why as you enter the first inversion on Rockin you actually exceed 5 g's for a brief period. As the G'forces decrease, the human body is able to endure them for longer periods of time. 1.7 G's simply is not a large amount of G-force. You can experience this amount on a commercial airliner for an even longer period on a steep take-off. There are other factors in play on Mission Space which make it more exciting then the reality. The confined space, the video, the audio and the psychological response from people when they are already at an excited state before even entering the ride, provided by the pre-show and the warnings. As it turns out, both these people died had pre-existing conditions. The single most dangeous affect on these people would be the increased heart rate from excitement and the surge of adrenaline, not the G-force of 1.7 for 12 seconds. That is only .7 G's above normal gravity of 1 G. I don't understand why people are saying this is untested technology. The affects of G-forces on the human body have been extensively tested for decades now.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost I agree but I suspect that the effect on the human body has been done with people that are physically fit and athletic and have no problems that might be considered dangerous. When you put us couch potatoes to that same test the results may be drastically different. I don't know of any reason that they would have, before this, to study the relationship between the flabby few and g's of any degree. I do hope that a solution can be found to the problem, not only because I want to see the ride survive but mostly because I want to see the riders survive. There must be a workable solution. It just needs to be found.
