Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Ann, where do you get your facts on the airplane deaths -- these are not all 90 year old people, I told you of the 31 year old co worker and at lewast 2 /3 others that were no older than 40. Talkto someone in the biz-- this is not an old person phenomenon" Wasn't me that said that, Dave. >> No, it was me. It's just common knowledge. There are two kinds of people that die on airplanes. 1) Old People 2) Libs In actuality, virtually no one outside of group number one really dies on a plane. As we all know, most Libs work at Starbucks and you don't make enough at Starbucks to afford a plane ticket. You get places by hitchhiking or in a 1972 VW Micro-bus. The few young people that vbdad was talking about either stole the ticket or borrowed the money from a conservative. Glad I could clear this up for you. ;-)
Originally Posted By Coachbagfanatic1 The only way that a child would have testing for heart disorders is if they are born with it or there is a family history of heart disease. I have to start my son with the blood work and all the other necessary testing when he turns 11 which is next year do to the fact that there is heart disease that runs on my husbands side of the family. Very strong I might add. Is there a problem with his heart now, not as far as we all can tell but one never knows. All of his blood work that has been taken in the past has come back clean so far but that does not mean that something can't happen in the mean time. Does he go on rides, yes at his own discretion to a certain point. If I feel deep down in my gut that it would not be good for him to go, than he does not go. We normally have the same brain waves anyway so there really is not too much arguing. As for the parents of that 4 year old child, I feel terribly sad that they lost their child. But, I personally would not have brought my 4 year old on MS even if he did meet the height requirements. That's just my personal opinion. Fear and anxiety can do terrible things to an adult just imagine what it does to a child.
Originally Posted By Mickey4President I agree with you coach. I didn’t find out until I was pregnant with my first son, that the headaches I had were caused by high blood pressure. I had no idea of a family history of high blood pressure and so it never crossed my mind. My husband’s mother has bad PVC’s. When my son, who had been premature, started complaining about his heart “beepingâ€, I immediately made him a doctor’s appointment. Also, I then took him to a heart specialist and we did a 24 hour heart monitoring test. Luckily, nothing showed on the test. If I hadn’t been aware of his family medical history, I probably would have thought nothing of it. My hubby has been pegging me to ride MS, or to at least let my oldest DS ride. I just feel it would be too intense for us, given our medical history. I know that they didn’t find anything when they tested my oldest DS, but I don’t feel comfortable letting him ride it. My hubby will just have to ride it as a single rider, and me and my DS’s will grab a snack.
Originally Posted By AZDLDad There are three kinds of men: 1) The one that learns by reading. 2) The few who learn by observation. 3) The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.
Originally Posted By Coachbagfanatic1 Mickey4President It's easy for some people to say well they should have know about the problem. Wrong. You don't know in some cases unless there are symptoms or something unfortunate happens. I hear you on the ride part. Even though my husbands family is the one with the heart disease, he still goes on the rides by himself. My son and I go to the snacks. LOL Don't mean to sound stupid, but what are PVC's?
Originally Posted By Coachbagfanatic1 <<There are three kinds of men: 1) The one that learns by reading. 2) The few who learn by observation. 3) The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. >> LOL but these are so true.
Originally Posted By Coachbagfanatic1 It just came back to me from my days as a medical biller for a Cardiologist and other doctors. Premature Ventricular Contractions aka extra heart beats or a missed beat.
Originally Posted By Mickey4President â€Mickey4President It's easy for some people to say well they should have know about the problem. Wrong. You don't know in some cases unless there are symptoms or something unfortunate happens.†Coach, that is my point. I didn’t know that I had a blood pressure problem until I was 31 weeks pregnant and I got sick. I had bad chest pains, shaking, headache, and couldn’t stand up straight. I went to my OBGYN and my blood pressure was 230-something over 140-something. Since my hubby and I were not aware of a history of heart problems in my family, he thought that I was just having heart burn. I was told that if they didn’t get my b.p. down, my child and myself would be dead by midnight. That was my point that “You don't know in some cases unless there are symptoms or something unfortunate happens.†It took my DS and myself almost dieing for me to find out that I have high blood pressure. I don’t know if you read the first line of my last post, but it started with, “I agree with you coach.†=) I never said that they should have known about the problem. In fact just the opposite, I had 6 months of doctor’s appointments and they never caught my blood pressure when it was high. Medical problems can be missed, if you are not having symptoms in that small window of time that you are at the doctor. That is why I will not let my oldest DS ride MS. I am an optimist and truly believe that parents do everything in their power to keep their children safe, so in no way do I think the parents are at fault for an unknown medical condition.
Originally Posted By Coachbagfanatic1 Mickey4President I totally agree with you. It was not aimed at you in the least. I was meaning other people who have commented on the medical condition of the little boy. My mother in law suffers from high blood pressure and heart disease and that is nothing to fool around with. Thank goodness that you and your child had survived. That BP was extremely high. But like you said they can do testing it still can be missed. You just never know. I have and will do everything in my power to make sure that my son is safe and healthy.
Originally Posted By Mickey4President Coach, I am sorry that I misunderstood your post #125 as an attack on myself. There have just been so many people around here lately that think the only way to get their point across is to insult anyone with any opposing view. I think some people have lost site of the fact this is a Disney site, not a Marilyn Manson site. Disney fans are suppose to be happy.=) ºoº
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Wasn't me that said that, Dave. >> No, it was me. It's just common knowledge. There are two kinds of people that die on airplanes. 1) Old People 2) Libs In actuality, virtually no one outside of group number one really dies on a plane. As we all know, most Libs work at Starbucks and you don't make enough at Starbucks to afford a plane ticket. You get places by hitchhiking or in a 1972 VW Micro-bus. The few young people that vbdad was talking about either stole the ticket or borrowed the money from a conservative. Glad I could clear this up for you. ;-) < Okay first, humblest apologies to Ann.....it was a long quote you cut and pasted and I didn't do a very good job of reading where it stopped and started. now, Tripster...come back from WE...LOL !....we know libs don't take planes because you don't travel for for the types of jobs they have because they don't work for 'the man', nor are they 'the man' -- it's those darn Republicans who spend all that corporate money flying.....and the libs don't vacation much -- they are busy driving their restored Karman Ghia's to the compound in Hyannis Port to party down with uncle Teddy and listen to fairy tales from John K.....
Originally Posted By vbdad55 And now back to our regular scheduled thread....latest word I heard on the news on this is she suffered from high blood pressure...shouldn;t be enough tohave you taken out on a ride, bt certainly a condition that can be aggravated by a number of things...including flying ( except in Minnesota - )
Originally Posted By Coachbagfanatic1 Mickey4President I also apologize to you that I should have made it a little clearer and I can understand as to why you thought that way. I would never want to insult anyone but like you said there are people that do just because there view is different. You are correct this is a Disney site and it is supposed to be happy but it's hard when you have a post such as this one. I just feel really sad for the families who have lost their loved ones.
Originally Posted By WALT DISNEY WORLD so all i want to known is mission space safe because i am going next week and it will probably be closed but just incase it is open i wanted to know thanks \ love to all, WALT DISNEY WORLD
Originally Posted By vbdad55 My guess is it will be open - and riding it is a personal choice..know your limits like anything else you'd do and I am comfortable you'd be fine. I know my family ( sans me) will ride it in 8 weeks)
Originally Posted By Coachbagfanatic1 They stated that MS was open that Thursday after the tragic incident. So it should be open when you go. Hope you enjoy the ride if you choose to go on. Have a magical vacation. ºoº
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<There are three kinds of men: 1) The one that learns by reading. 2) The few who learn by observation. 3) The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.>> The Mythbusters pissed on both a third rail and an electric fence... <a href="http://kwc.org/mythbusters/2003/10/mythbusters_barrel_of_bricks_t.html" target="_blank">http://kwc.org/mythbusters/200 3/10/mythbusters_barrel_of_bricks_t.html</a>
Originally Posted By LuvDatDisney Nothing like death to raise the post count of a thread. Only sex would be better. I talked to a friend at a sportsbook in Vegas, he says the over/under on number of posts in this thread is 349. My take on this: woman likely had preexisting condition. Tragic. Could have happened on the bus over. MS may have been a factor, but not the cause. The biggest problem is Disney built a very intense attraction and they go overboard with warning on everything from Big Thunder to Tower of Terror. Most people don't stop to think. But even if they did, if you have an undiagnosed condition, there may simply be nothing to prevent a sad ending. What bothers me is so many people jump on Disney's case over something like this, which probably had nothing at all to do with the death, while so many people let Disney off the hook for basically killing two people at DL, and injuring a few dozen others, due to lower standards of maintainance and training and godawful executives riding attractions to failure (Paul Pressler's words, anyone remember him?) I'm as far from Disney apologist as they come, but this wasn't their fault. These things happen. People have died on other attractions. In the past few years alone, there were deaths on Space Mountain, Splash Mountain, Pirates to name a few. People jump on MS because its intense, but RnRC is too.
Originally Posted By NikkiLOVESMickey Whoo, this is a hot topic. I don't think I could say anything that hasn't been said. But I will say that I don't think Disney should close the attraction permanently. I haven't ridden it yet (CHICKEN - cluck cluck cluck), but these deaths don't make me any more reluctant to ride it. I still believe that both of these deaths are tragic coincidences. I don't think this is something that is going to continually happen as a result of this ride.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe post 131--55--Hey watch out what you say about Hyannisport! I drive every day from the Ridge (away from the ocean) past CB (Craigville Beach-our local famous beach in regular Hyannis) and I pay homage to the exact spot where Joan had her most famous OUI. It is hallowed ground here for us locals and there is a huge monument erected at that curve in the road which Joan couldn't handle
