Originally Posted By Yookeroo Yay. Future mass transit transportation for Tomorrowland. An idea that's half a century old. Way to think outside the box. "You just want to make another crack at us, who do believe in mass transit systems .. " You think this is about a belief in mass transit? Seriously? Because I find the idea of of Tomorrowland as a showcase for future mass not particularly fresh or original? I have to support the idea of Tomorrowland as a showcase for mass transit or else that makes me against it? That's one hell of a leap of logic you're making. If I were to say I don't want to see Epcot's Wonders of Life pavilion re-opened, would that make me anti-health? "while you never offer examples to back up your position." I need to offer "examples" of why I think using a very old idea isn't all that forward thinking? Funny thing is, I wouldn't have a huge problem if Disney did decide to re-use this idea, depending on how it was executed. I just find it ironic that some of the biggest boosters of a forward thinking TL get so excited over the PM & monorail.
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>But what would that be exactly? Serious question, not trying to be flip or argumentative.<< You got an imagination don't you Hans? Think of any wild design that is so unlike the "boxy" dimensions of 20th Century designs. Make it sleek. Throw some "blingy" fabrication to give it some shape. Take imagineer Scot Drake's artwork here: Particularly the top center one: <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/22309110@N03/6130468431/in/photostream/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/2...ostream/</a> Take a few design elements from these wild looking things, just to get an idea where to throw the imagination: And I know you've seen this, I've shown this before: <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-lrIG_YMtJG4/TKK6YbXHNRI/AAAAAAAAAu8/_RfzAK3K3eA/s630/gm-en-v-concept-futuristic-urban-transportation.jpg">http://lh3.googleusercontent.c...tion.jpg</a> You've even posted various links to some cool futuristic things. I'm sort of surprised you would ask. We've all watched plenty of science fiction on tv and the movies. With interesting transport concepts. And in my mind, I've taken them a step further in something even more stylish. I just assumed the rest of the world had the same imagination as me, to take the next step beyond late 20th century futurism. Now in the early 21st Century ... I look at architects like Za Hadid ... and wonder how her aesthetic could transcend into transportation modes. There's really no shortage of the imagination, and what transport systems could look like beyond 100 years from now.
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>You can build a moving vehicle in any goofball shape you want and put it on any track you want, but the real issues in transportation for the future are power sources and efficiency.<< You left the issue of massive population growth .. and what it's going to take to get people around. You either go down - subways. Or you go second level transport lines - going above the cramped streets below. >> think we've run out of "out of this world", at least when it comes to transportation. And Tomorrowland can be traversed on foot fairly quickly ...<< yes buddy..... Everything is up to date in Kansas City They've gone about as fur as they can go! You can walk to privies in the rain, and never wet your feet! They've gone about as fur as they can go. Yes sir! They've gone about as fur as they can go.
Originally Posted By oc_dean >> I have to support the idea of Tomorrowland as a showcase for mass transit or else that makes me against it? That's one hell of a leap of logic you're making.<< OH! And you haven't done any bashing/trolling on this subject in the last couple of years here on LP??? >>I need to offer "examples" of why I think using a very old idea isn't all that forward thinking?<< Boy, you really miss the point do you?? Not examples of "why you think" .. but examples of "solutions." Ideas. Something. You do have an imagination do you? Or, are you going to keep skirting the discussion with semantics? Lets hear some ideas Yookeroo. Any .. from any recent science fiction film? Anything. No more semantics! Enough! Give us reason to see you're interested in a constructive discussion. And not more "Yookeroo Bashing Peoplemover" rhetoric! That's just weird!
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Everything is up to date in Kansas City<< NOOOOOOOO!!! Not Rodgers and Hammerstein!!! Uncle! Uncle! >>Lets hear some ideas Yookeroo. Any .. from any recent science fiction film? Anything?<< The Peoplemover with the fringe on top?
Originally Posted By Dabob2 I loved the PM in its day. It was innovative, and it worked both as a theme park ride - scenic, relaxing, with the cool bonus of the "sneak peaks" of other attractions - and as an implicit "gee, they could really build these in cities around the world" thing, which totally worked at the time. Of course, there was only one platform to load/unload, and the accessible areas of TL (since the whole sub/autopia area was not) were easily walkable by foot, but it didn't take much imagination to think "in a real city, there'd be a platform/load-unload area in this shop, and then by the monorail platform to transfer..." I wouldn't exactly object if they brought back a different version of the PM in TL. I'm not "against" that. But I actually think it would be a more fitting tribute to TL '67 if they built a PM connecting the resort as a whole if and when they build the 3rd park on the strawberry field. Then the promise of a "transportation system of the future" that PM '67 represented would be more truly realized than a scenic ride over a few acres. I envision 5 stations: The west terminus at the Mickey & Friends Lot and the east terminus at the entrance to the new park. Then station #2 that services the DLH/PPH, #3 just outside bag check at the entrances to DL and DCA, and #4 at the new multi-level lot they presumably will build north of GardenWalk. At stations 1 and 5, all passengers would by definition travel in the same direction. But at the middle 3 stations, you could choose which direction you go (it would be a big loop, but in the middle it would look like two tracks paralleling each other and moving in opposite directions, like the original PM over the TL entrance corridor.) So, for instance, at the DL/DCA station you could either go eastbound towards the new parking lot and 3rd park, or you could west towards DLH/PPH and M&F. Each of the stations would have a round "turntable" area for load/unload like the original PM. (Larger than the original at the middle stations so that there would be four 90 degree "arcs" - unload eastbound/load eastbound and unload westbound/load westbound.) TL '67 was supposed to represent a practical transportation system of the future - so I think making it into exactly that would be a more fitting tribute than reviving it for TL only.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros In a general sense, I agree with Dean that transportation is a great way to showcase the future in a theme park. It’s something that’s very visual and instantly recognizable (unlike a lot of computer tech), and inherently symbolized progress to a huge portion of the audience I disagree that all we need to do is redecorate the cars so that they fit modern styling. Yes, those ones in the images look really snazzy, but I’d rather focus on having a system that is forward-thinking itself, rather than a more traditional system with showy vehicles Personally, I’d love to see the PeopleMover come back, but I recognize that it’s not entirely practical with current regulations. I like Dabob’s idea of using it as a resort transportation system (likely supplemented with other modes for peak hours, since they have huge capacity needs) Although there really hasn’t been a PM system built in the real world (airports and theme parks aside), I still think it has the potential for real-world application. There are plenty of cities with heavy-rail metro lines that get people in the general area they want to be, but still kind of far away. I think that a PM-type loop (roughly 1-2mi diameter) could do a lot of good to supplement the existing infrastructure in places like downtown DC, Chicago, or LA. One of LA Metro’s biggest problems (something they’re actively working on) is the “first and last mile” of people’s trips. The rail lines will get people close to where they want to be, but I think that a PM network could help solve those shorter connections. With frequent stations and trains constantly arriving, it’s a great solution for those types of concerns. If only there was enough money floating around to build it! I realize that I find transit more interesting than most people (there’s a reason that I have the job I do), but I think that it could play a really great central role in TL. I certainly wouldn’t be opposed to other ideas, but TL and transit are linked in such an iconic way that it makes a lot of sense
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Take imagineer Scot Drake's artwork here:" So what you want is a standard PTR with a dramatic "futuristic" shell?
Originally Posted By Yookeroo "OH! And you haven't done any bashing/trolling on this subject in the last couple of years here on LP???" On the subject of mass transit? Find one. "Not examples of 'why you think' .. but examples of "solutions.' Ideas. Something. You do have an imagination do you?" I'm happy enough with the Star Wars "solution". Not sure why I need to play imagineer though. "The Peoplemover with the fringe on top?" That seems to be what excites dean. Take Walt's '67 idea and give it a paint job. Really, much of the talk about a futuristic TL is really just nostalgia with a fringe on top. "I wouldn't exactly object if they brought back a different version of the PM in TL. I'm not "against" that. But I actually think it would be a more fitting tribute to TL '67 if they built a PM connecting the resort as a whole if and when they build the 3rd park on the strawberry field. Then the promise of a "transportation system of the future" that PM '67 represented would be more truly realized than a scenic ride over a few acres." I like this idea much better than a TL '67 retread.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Really, much of the talk about a futuristic TL is really just nostalgia with a fringe on top." Yup.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA (with apologies to Rodgers and Hammerstein) When I take you out tonight with meeeeeee Honey, here's the way it's gonna beeeeeee You will set inside a WedWay Peo-----ple Moooooo-ver It's the slickest gig you've ever seeeeen... Chicks and dudes and friends gonna see ya When you rumble past on the track way When they see my dose of nostalgia with the friiiii-nge on top.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Even though Disney had nothing to do with "Oklahoma," I still have a guide book from the 60's (when they still had surreys on Main Street) that enticed you to "Travel down Main Street in an elegant 'surrey with the fringe on top.'" Found a pic of it here: <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://mintcrocodile.smugmug.com/photos/1003734275_Xcvsh-X3.jpg">http://mintcrocodile.smugmug.c...h-X3.jpg</a>
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OyeJDHVcCA">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...eJDHVcCA</a>
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA I believe a music-only version "Surrey with the Fringe on Top" is played on the Main Street U.S.A. BGM loop.
Originally Posted By CuriousConstance People's ideas and wishes for DL, particularly TL, tend to be directly correlated to the year of their very first visit. Those who first visited back in the 60s/70s, want to go back to something like that, etc. Since mine was in 2006, I'm sure you can guess what I want.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt Something absurd and silly. I like the song though. If they ever bring the Peoplemover back to DL they should have that playing as you wait to board the train.
Originally Posted By CuriousConstance Hans, how dare you mention they change anything about the Peoplemover!
