Originally Posted By Qindarka Granted, this is partly speculation on my part but I find that traces of similarities between the two. The Snow Queen can be crudely boiled down to a story of a girl going on a journey to rescue a friend and free him from corruption. From what scant plot details Disney has released, it seems that the heart of their journey is a girl/young woman (Anna) going on a journey to free her sister(Elsa) from corruption. I think that they have decided to merge the characters of The Snow Queen and Kai from the original fairy tale, which might not be that problematic since The Snow Queen functioned more as a plot device than a character and Elsa will be performing the function of Kai. I am also rather surprised that people are saying that Kristoff is Kai, given their differing roles in the story, the only similarity (which is enough for many) seems to be that they are both male, which seems a little superficial. I am not trying to present this as anything faithful, for sure Disney are making many changes and I believe the details of Gerda's entire journey (the Kai lookalike, the robber girl etc) will be replaced by entirely new material. Yet I personally at least can understand the line of thought and this could also explain why they felt the need to change the names (can't have the name Gerda without the name Kai). I apologize regarding my outrage comment since it doesn't apply to you but yet I certainly can see lots of outrage over the changes on the internet. And yes, I do believe that Disney has been very unfaithful to their sources for decades, movies like Aladdin and The Little Mermaid are also very different from their sources and have very different themes.
Originally Posted By DlandDug The problem is trying to cast H.C. Andersen stories into the Disney mold. Andersen tales are magical, wondrous, and ultimately somewhat melancholy. For a Disney feature, dour endings just won't do. The short The Little Match Girl is as close as Disney has come to realizing an Andersen tale without resorting to a blatant "happy ending."
Originally Posted By Dabob2 When I was a kid, I had an LP with all HCA stories. I don't think a single one ended with "and they lived happily ever after." All somewhat melancholy, as Dug said.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Oh wait - The Ugly Duckling was on there, and is pretty much melancholy to begin with and happy at the end. (And was - ta da! - a Disney short.)
Originally Posted By FerretAfros >>For a Disney feature, dour endings just won't do.<< Hunchback doesn't really have a happy ending; the title guy doesn't get the girl, and has to pretend like he's happy for the other fellow. Then again, it's a lot more of a happy ending than the book (and Disney's German stage version) where nobody gets the girl...
Originally Posted By leemac <<I believe Andersen's The Snow Queen does have a happy ending.>> It sure does.
Originally Posted By leemac <<Leemac, could you tell me something about the sequence from Frozen you watched? could you tell me more about Anna & Kristoff look? are Anna and Kristoff a romantic couple? what happened in the scene? why is it too comedic? what sort of comedy Frozen will have? I hope there isn't potty humor because toilet humor will ruin movies... thank you by advance.>> The animation was unspectacular - characters were very ordinary-looking. I was surprised that they didn't look Scandinavian (I think the story is set in Finland). The relationship reminded me of Rapunzel and Flynn Rider - two individuals drawn together who wouldn't ordinarily be friends etc. The comedy was also very Tangled-esque. The dialog just felt stilted and forced. It is always tough to tell when you only see a handful of scenes but it looked very uninspired to me. It will be 18 months between what we were shown and the final product so there is plenty of time to turn it around.
Originally Posted By Qindarka When you are saying that animation is unspectacular, is it only about the character designs? Surely it would be too early to judge the quality of the actual animation 18 months before release. Thanks for the info.
Originally Posted By leemac <<When you are saying that animation is unspectacular, is it only about the character designs? Surely it would be too early to judge the quality of the actual animation 18 months before release.>> Character designs - the backgrounds were fine - although I'm not sure you can go wrong with tundra. It isn't too early. This movie has been in development for years - I'd be very surprised if the character design changed substantially between June 2012 and November 2013. I saw completed Tangled animation over 2 years before its release - and those character designs didn't change. Just because it is a CG movie rather than hand-drawn does not mean that they can make significant changes during production - there is too much riding on getting the movie finished from marketing to consumer products to the parks.
Originally Posted By Qindarka Yes, I know the character designs are pretty much set in stone. I meant all the other aspects of the animation such as the rendering, movement of the characters, backgrounds, etc. Were the scenes you watched already fully animated?
Originally Posted By plpeters70 Why don't they just merge the two and get it over with? Both studios seem to be turning out basically the same stuff these days - just call it Disney-Pixar and be done with it.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <Frozen is from WDAS. It is still 1 from each studio per year.> Makes more sense - thanks.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 <a href="http://www.boxoffice.com/statistics/daily" target="_blank">http://www.boxoffice.com/stati...cs/daily</a> If you look at the article lower left looks like Ralph will hit 100 million today.
