Originally Posted By peeaanuut It never occured to me. Its such a luxury field I couldnt see it actually being work. I wouldnt get any satisfaction from it. But its ok, im on their side. I say lets all get in $200 outfits and a $12 cup of coffee and picket. Down with the devil studios!
Originally Posted By BlueOhanaTerror >>>It never occured to me. Its such a luxury field I couldnt see it actually being work. I wouldnt get any satisfaction from it. But its ok, im on their side. I say lets all get in $200 outfits and a $12 cup of coffee and picket. Down with the devil studios!<<< $200 outfits. Let's see... Your average pair of Adidas sneakers is going to run you $60 on SALE. A nice T-Shirt at Target runs $15. A decent pair of jeans, $35. Add in Underwear, Socks, a leather belt, and you're already up to about $150 for the average ensemble. If it's cold and you need a jacket, hat or scarf, you're already over $200 for an "outfit". Do you THINK about the things you write before you write them? See, that's what WRITERS do. That's why we get paid to do it. The job requires us to have brains, and then use them. You qualify in neither respect.
Originally Posted By BlueOhanaTerror Here's a postscript to that, which most people (unless they're in a writing-related field, journalism, entertainment, publishing, etc.) don't consider. Most of writing is THINKING. The writing involves, generally, the smallest component of time involved. The actual writing of any work is secondary to both THINKING through theme, scenes, structure and character, and then REWRITING takes up a huge amount of time as well. Writers fuss and fume and talk to themselves and lose sleep and pace and go through all kinds of ritual, beating out their work, beating themselves up, and then placing their work out for affirmation/criticism, what-have-you. It's not as life-threatening as many jobs, nor as noble as some professions like firefighting or even teaching. But it can be a job with spiritual and emotional rewards. A good writer can inspire many lives, to acts of goodness, to faith, to bravery, to a new path... It can be an exhausting job, rarely a luxurious process, except for a privileged few who get to travel to posh locales and sit amid elegant surroundings that suit their extravagant tastes. Most writers don't get to do that. They fight through traffic for two hours a day, work between 7 and 10 hours a day, about six days a week, and see less of their families than they should. Quite luxurious, I know. The rewards come in the satisfaction of telling stories. I know some people can't understand the subtle, honest pleasure of crafting a work of art, telling a great story, but it is a reward in itself, which is why many writers do it, even when they're not getting a condo in Aruba to work on their next draft. It's the same reward that many people at WDI get, who labor to tell great stories in theme parks and attractions, though they themselves - most of them - also don't make huge sums of money. I know the perception is otherwise, but that's the truth of it.
Originally Posted By BlueOhanaTerror <<I look forward to reading your script Peeaanuut. If it's so easy you should have no problem having a outstanding script done in a few weeks.>> I have never tried but I guarantee it will be 10x better than cavemen and that made it on the air. Im not guaranteeing Heroes here but I sure can beat half the crap on the air now. Plus I would work with a team of 20+ just like these guys due, just to make it fair. Your not going to make me think they are the victim here. The simply are not the victim. They are in a luxury job and take it for granted. Plain and simple.<<< You can't even use proper grammar in a sentence. That you put no value on the craft writing doesn't come as a huge shock. Though my earlier post was deleted, I'll reiterate the point here, without the added acerbic adjectives (which were totally deserving, frankly): you don't know what you're talking about, and clearly, everyone here knows it.
Originally Posted By BlueOhanaTerror >>>You can't even use proper grammar in a sentence. That you put no value on the craft writing doesn't come as a huge shock.<<< The craft OF writing. Yes, ironic. But I CARE about my mistakes, because the clear construction of thoughts is a virtue upheld by people who care about the endurance of civilization.
Originally Posted By Lisann22 Like most things its easy until you actually have to walk/work in their shoes to poke and criticize at something of someone else's. I'm truly not getting the whole angle that we should not support or we should think its wrong for them to protest just because of a set salary. Since when did earning a good living in this country stop people from trying to further get what they deserve or feel they've earned? I think that is incredibly prejudice. I've never met anyone who's working hard and making a good living say stop ok that's enough. For to say that is a lot because I don't believe in frivilous spending. I'm not one to buy designer clothes, or have to have the biggest and best of everything. I find this attitude from you curious peeaanuut. I'm not picking I'm just surprise to see this coming from a guy who likes all his toys, gizmos and gadgets and expensive hobbies.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>I'm truly not getting the whole angle that we should not support or we should think its wrong for them to protest just because of a set salary.<< It comes from the same place as "athletes make too much." No one can ever define "too much" specifically, but it's easy to lash out like that. The fact is that the media landscape has changed once again. It makes perfect sense for everyone involved in the production of entertainment to want to get their piece of that pie. It's a contract. It gets negotiated, concessions are made by each side. Sometimes, it means one side has to withold their services until a new pay rate can be agreed upon. Is this anything different than the way it has worked for the past century?
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Its such a luxury field I couldnt see it actually being work.<< Oh, brother.
Originally Posted By peeaanuut im not sure why you guys are attacking me anymore? I am on your side. I say burn the studios. im with you guys. I mean, once I get off my real job of course. But than I am with you guys. 100%.
Originally Posted By peeaanuut <<Yes, ironic. But I CARE about my mistakes, because the clear construction of thoughts is a virtue upheld by people who care about the endurance of civilization.>> are you seriously saying that the people that write for the simpsons are caring for the endurance of civilization? These people write for television and movies. 2 things that are purely for entertainment when are bored. They have nothing to do with the endurance of anything. But you guys win. We should give them the world because writing a script for ER really does bring the world together. Burn the studios!!!!
Originally Posted By Rontheman As someone who has spent hours walking the line at Disney the last week, I just have to jump in here and say that Mr. Nut has an absurdly poor grasp of the issues. I could get into them here, but I'd suggest reading <a href="http://www.newsfromme.com/" target="_blank">http://www.newsfromme.com/</a> and <a href="http://unitedhollywood.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://unitedhollywood.blogspo t.com/</a>
Originally Posted By x Pirate_Princess x Hanna Montana's executive producer was on the line today, along with the actors from Desperate housewives, according the KCAL 9.
Originally Posted By Rontheman We are walking at Disney from 6AM - 2PM tomorrow. Anyone can come join in and talk to the writers. I was in there today when KCAL was there. Aside from the Hannah Montana showrunner, there was the showrunner of Brothers and Sisters, the writer of Chocolate and the co-creator of "Lost." Along with 50 other writers from every economic class. And not a 12 dollar coffee in sight. Tomorrow is "Bring a Star" day, so there might be some other celebs in the mix. We are at the gate on Riverside, but there is also picketing on Buena Vista and the Alameda main gate. Mr. Nut is right about one thing, most writers on TV don't work 40 hour weeks. More like 60. I really don't understand people who think writers shouldn't share a little in content they create. Do you think that all of the Harry Potter bonanza should have went to Scholastic and Rowling should have stayed on the dole? Seems a pretty simple concept that in success everybody wins.
Originally Posted By BlueOhanaTerror I've never had a 12 dollar coffee. To echo Ron's post above, most weeks, whether on a staff job or as a free-lancer, I've worked a MINIMUM of 60 hours. One of the ironies of television writers is that they often don't get much time to WATCH television. And when I work on features, my time to watch MOVIES drops precipitously. And yes, "Peeeeenut", I believe that people who care about how stories are crafted and how words are used, are important to the preservation of civilization. Heck, all you have to do is ride SPACESHIP EARTH to learn that. People who play fast and loose with communication, and regard the arts with cavalier indifference are responsible for a lot of the ills and chaos in this world. I weep for those who might have a part in any future you help forge.
Originally Posted By seanyoda The video on the UnitedHollywood blog ... <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8a37uqd5vTw" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =8a37uqd5vTw</a> ... sums it up pretty nicely. And here's another argument for settling the strike: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCe-E_N1oJY" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =mCe-E_N1oJY</a>
Originally Posted By peeaanuut <<People who play fast and loose with communication, and regard the arts with cavalier indifference are responsible for a lot of the ills and chaos in this world. I weep for those who might have a part in any future you help forge.>> So because I dont have perfect english I am responsible for chaos in the world? Wow, I never thought I was so important. I think you guys are taking your jobs a little too seriously. You stay up nights pacing because you cant finish a script? You need a hobbie. I have a pretty stressful job but I dont stay up nights worrying about it because I know I am not curing cancer or making heart monitors. You guys work in entertainment. Its not world changing. Its a boredom killer.
Originally Posted By cstephens It had been discussed that after the talk shows and sitcoms, the next most vulnerable group were the soaps. It's being reported tonight that a few soap writers from "The Young and The Restless" are taking advantage of a provision in the WGA rules to continue working during the strike without being penalized. A writer from "Days of Our Lives" may also be considering making the same move. The majority of soap writers, though, are honoring the strike. /cs
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>You stay up nights pacing because you cant finish a script? You need a hobbie.<< Your hobby seems to be belittling people lately. Perhaps taking a little break in posting until you sort things out might make you less hostile than you've become? It's happening in thread after thread. For people who are involved in creative endeavors, or ANY career where they have passion about what they do, it's more than a job. And "good enough" never is. That leads people to pace the floors. Well, that, and trying to figure out where to get a good $12 cup of coffee.
