Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA Rod Serling was a TV writer. I'd suggest that 90% of the stuff he wrote during the early days of television and including 'The Twilight Zone' was a '10.' Not to mention his motion picture screenplay for the original 'Planet of the Apes'
Originally Posted By Rontheman Just to back up BOT's point, I've written a novel (published by a top 5 publisher), a major studio movie, and countless hours of television. I wouldn't say one was harder than the other, as every medium has inherent challenges. A blanket statement like novels are inherently harder to write than television is silly. As if Jackie Collins is writing at a higher level than David Chase.
Originally Posted By peeaanuut BOT: Do you know what your problem is? You cannot accept someone elses opinions. You think you word is god and get emotionally strained when someone disagrees with you. Than you try to paint that person as a satanistic baby killer. You and I simply have a disagreement on this matter. I do not think your a bad person. Do I believe your wrong, sure do. Do I think your a baby killer? Not at all. I am certain your a very nice person. But you simply cannot accept that others will have a difference of opinion and become emotionally involved. Take JiMCa's post above. He believes the writings of the Twilight zone is a 10. I personally do not like the Twilight Zone and would rate it a 1. Does that mean I think that Jim is a bad person? Not at all. As a matter of fact I believe Jim and I have exchanged much info on other subjects very pleasently. You simply need to become a little bit more relaxed in your acceptance of people having other opinions. This is art, there is no fact here. Art is strictly opinion by the viewer/listener/reader. I simply feel that TV show writers are asking for way more than they deserve. I do not think they are bad people but I do believe they are doing a bad thing by putting other people out of work for what I feel is their selfishness. You obviously disagree and that is fine. We have a difference of opinion. Your and my discussion on the matter will have no bearing on the strike at hand and I am certain that I have not changed anyones mind here. My intention is to express my opinion and hear others opinions. Unfortunately you want to paint me as a bad person because I dont agree with you. Take that for what you will and I am certain you will contine to smack at me without really discussing the matter at hand and that is fine if that makes you happy. So have a nice day. =)
Originally Posted By peeaanuut << A blanket statement like novels are inherently harder to write than television is silly>> Its an opinion that I am expressing as an opinion not as fact. Because you want to take it as fact that is on you. Why can people not respect other peopls opinions?
Originally Posted By Rontheman I do. But I especially respect opinions of people who know what they are talking about. If I have a weird blotch on my neck, my barber might have an opinion about it, but I'd still go with my doctor's.
Originally Posted By peeaanuut and that is fine. I am not trying to make anyone change to my opinion but that doesnt mean that I dont have a right to express it. Who knows, maybe your barber has the right opinion but if you are not even able to listen to that opinion you would never know.
Originally Posted By peeaanuut you also do not think your barber is a vile person and making incendiary blather do you? You simply feel his opinion is wrong and dont take his opinion. But do you stop getting your hair cut?
Originally Posted By cstephens So since the mods don't seem to care that y'all are bickering back and forth repeatedly, how about you rip each other's brains out elsewhere and let us get back to discussing the topic of the thread. I do think it's ridiculous to say that novels are harder than TV. There are so many more constraints to writing television and film because you have a limited amount of time in which to tell your story. Novels can go on for pages and pages and pages, and you can explain and give as much background as you want. With film and TV, you have to be more succint in your storytelling and character development. One of the things that's always interested me are novels that are adapted into films, to see the choices that they make in what they take and what they don't. I love "Blade Runner" and I love "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep". Which one is better and harder to create? Can't answer that question because the focus of each is so different. It's probably almost impossible to actually make a faithful film of the book, but conversely, a novelized version of the action film probably wouldn't have the same impact because you can't re-create the character that Rutger Hauer created. It surprises me that someone can be so dismissive of the creative process. It can look easy, but when you're staring at a blank piece of paper or a blank screen, it's pretty daunting. Even when I write non-fiction for my site, it can be hard to get all the thoughts down in a coherent manner and have the structure and everything flow and make sense. To have to then impose a story and suspense and all that on top of it is not something I'm good at, so I completely understand what a talent that is. Yeah, a lot of dreck gets made, but then one person's idea of dreck can be another person's idea of genius. I can't imagine someone *not* seeing the genius that was Rod Serling's Twilight Zone, but I also don't really "get" the genius of Mel Brooks that others talk about. /cs
Originally Posted By DAR I just want to know what Ron and BOT have written. Ron said he's written a novel, I was planning on making the trip to Borders this weekend and might need something new to read.
Originally Posted By Rontheman I'd prefer to stay anon. Not that I'm paranoid... much... but I have found when I participate on fansites for my own shows, the modern internet has made it possible for people to figure out my home address in about five minutes. Not that I'm saying anyone here is a crazed stalker, but I have seen people get pretty worked up about stuff. I will say you probably haven't heard of my book, though hopefully you will since it was optioned for a film and I turned in a first draft before the strike. But if you are on a Disney board, I'd say it's a pretty safe bet you have seen my movie/tv work.
Originally Posted By DAR Sure I understand, you wouldn't want to shoot an email to me? It's in my profile, if not I understand.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>I simply feel that TV show writers are asking for way more than they deserve. I do not think they are bad people but I do believe they are doing a bad thing by putting other people out of work for what I feel is their selfishness.<< Had you expressed it calmly like that early on in this thread, without going so over the top, it would have been more of a discussion and less of an argument. >>Than you try to paint<< Okay, this isn't meant to be an insult, but the word you need to use in this case is "THEN". In your posts, you use THAN instead of THEN all the time. You're not the only one that does this, I see it a lot on these boards, by the way. We walked down Main Street, THEN we walked through the castle. I would rather eat popcorn THAN a churro. Again, not meant to be a put down, it's just one of those things that make me crazy. (And I don't need much of a push to go crazy.)
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Paul McCartney, as luck would have it. At least two of his albums (most recently Chaos and Creation) have him performing all of the instruments.<< And the engineering and the mixing and the mastering and the pressing and the cover art and the music publishing and the promotion and the distribution and the rights management? Paul too is "only one of the many people responsible for bringing the product to life", no matter what he played on the album.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>You think you word is god and get emotionally strained when someone disagrees with you. Than you try to paint that person as a satanistic baby killer. You and I simply have a disagreement on this matter.<< A disagreement in which you have dismissed his life's work as worthless and stated several times that you hope he and his colleagues are fired and end up on the streets. Just your opinion, right?
Originally Posted By peeaanuut I never dismissed his/her work and I said the writers should be fired for preventing others from doing their job. Set builders, camera operators, lighting technicians, wardrobe people, caterers, etc are going to be out of a job for no reason othan than the writers are creating a work stopage. They should be fired for preventing others from earning a living. If their strike effected noone but themselves than they can have at it. But they are going to put plenty of people out of work around a very important part of the year. People that frankly work harder and make less money a year than they do. yes thats my opinion. And to be clear, I am not arguing residuals. I am arguing that writers on TV shows are making plenty of money up front and they want to argue what many they will keep on making for doing no additional work. If you work for commission than you should get NO annual/hourly salary. If you get an annual/hourly salary, you should get NO commission.
Originally Posted By peeaanuut <<Had you expressed it calmly like that early on in this thread, without going so over the top, it would have been more of a discussion and less of an argument.>> I get attacked, I attack back. Just the way it goes. <<Okay, this isn't meant to be an insult, but the word you need to use in this case is "THEN". In your posts, you use THAN instead of THEN all the time. You're not the only one that does this, I see it a lot on these boards, by the way. We walked down Main Street, THEN we walked through the castle. I would rather eat popcorn THAN a churro. Again, not meant to be a put down, it's just one of those things that make me crazy. (And I don't need much of a push to go crazy.)>> Was that meant to be anything but a continued attack on me? Im not trying to imply anything, its just one of those things that makes me crazy. =/
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Was that meant to be anything but a continued attack on me?<< It honestly wasn't meant as an attack. My apologies if you took it that way.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>I get attacked, I attack back.<< No, what happened was that you started off in post #5 with "greedy bastards" etc. And it ramped up from there. That's the way it goes.
