Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>TOT seems to have taken a more MK-style approach, in that it doesn't attempt to reveal the illusions and "plays it straight." The adventure is "real," not something taking place on a soundstage.<<< That's because it's in the "real" section of the park. You are in the Hollywood that never was, and always shall be. Indy could exist in the same manner. Star Tours is in the "backlot"....Which you transition to by passing those Security Booths. Servo would be proud I actually remember this...
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<That's just the thing...You become PART OF IT. The same happens in ST, in TSMM, and could be in Indy. The Studios lets you do that.>> No...not at all. Look at leo's description. <<Jungle set, that is.>> Aka loses ambiance <<"hard" and "gritty" don't fit next to "gleaming" and "retro futuristic"...>> I see nothing hard and gritty about the show building...
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<Indy could exist in the same manner.>> No it couldn't. Not if it wanted to stay true to the park.
Originally Posted By Hista98 honestly the real reason star tours went into MGM was because it was a new park and they wanted a cutting edge thrill ride for it so they put in Star Tours, at one point it was supposed to replace if you had wings, and if the studios hadent opened it most likely would have.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>>I see nothing hard and gritty about the show building...<<<< It's the story that clashes. It's a huge departure from what the theme of the land is. >>>> <<Indy could exist in the same manner.>> No it couldn't. Not if it wanted to stay true to the park.<<<<< It's a movie. It's a studios park. It fits.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>honestly the real reason star tours went into MGM was because it was a new park and they wanted a cutting edge thrill ride for it so they put in Star Tours, at one point it was supposed to replace if you had wings, and if the studios hadent opened it most likely would have.<<<< I have heard of the idea that Star Tours would have taken over IYHW, and all the other people that would know about such things doubt that that idea really got very far....it's been described as very Blue Sky to me, as the Studios soon over took it. The fact that they waited until the Studios opened says a lot about it's placement in that park, and also about the nature if other "movie" attractions. If they really wanted it in TL, it would have gone there...and we would see something else in that corner of DHS. But it's a movie.... ...and thus belongs in the Studios, once again.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<The fact that they waited until the Studios opened says a lot about it's placement in that park, and also about the nature if other "movie" attractions. >> No it doesn't haha. It says a lot about how little Disney-MGM Studios had when it opened.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> It's a movie. It's a studios park. It fits. << And if it was at MGM, there wouldn't be a commitment to the illusion that this is a "real" adventure, like if it was built at MK. Would it fit into MGM as a "hot set" for the "latest" Indiana Jones movie? For me, that kind of pretense takes me a step away from how I perceive the attraction. But then again I think using the Toy Story bathrooms is a transcendent experience.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<And if it was at MGM, there wouldn't be a commitment to the illusion that this is a "real" adventure, like if it was built at MK. Would it fit into MGM as a "hot set" for the "latest" Indiana Jones movie? For me, that kind of pretense takes me a step away from how I perceive the attraction.>>> Exactly! Give leo a beer for understanding!
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>And if it was at MGM, there wouldn't be a commitment to the illusion that this is a "real" adventure, like if it was built at MK. Would it fit into MGM as a "hot set" for the "latest" Indiana Jones movie? For me, that kind of pretense takes me a step away from how I perceive the attraction.<<< I just don't see how we can ignore ToT when it comes to a situation like this. They did the SAME EXACT THING with ToT that they could do with Indy. There could honestly be a whole section of the park devoted to "Adventure" movies, with IJA at it's center. (Just like ToT...)
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<I just don't see how we can ignore ToT when it comes to a situation like this. They did the SAME EXACT THING with ToT that they could do with Indy. There could honestly be a whole section of the park devoted to "Adventure" movies, with IJA at it's center. (Just like ToT...)>> We ignore Tower because it's a complete different situation in the Studios as IJA. It's easy to have an authentic haunted hotel in the City of Hollywood. It's a bit tougher to plop an authentic Mayan temple down and have it be believable/as powerful theming/story-wise as IJA is in Adventureland. If they changed the complete make-up of the park to more of a cross between MK/IoA and the movies where you're in the world of the movies and not in Hollywood, it could work, but that's not gonna happen. As is, there's no where they could put it in the Studios were it would have the same great story impact and authentic feeling.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> We ignore Tower because it's a complete different situation in the Studios as IJA. It's easy to have an authentic haunted hotel in the City of Hollywood. It's a bit tougher to plop an authentic Mayan temple down and have it be believable/as powerful theming/story-wise as IJA is in Adventureland. << Exactly. TOT is a totally different situation because a luxurious hotel in Hollywood fits, an "authentic" jungle temple doesn't. *flush*
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>We ignore Tower because it's a complete different situation in the Studios as IJA. It's easy to have an authentic haunted hotel in the City of Hollywood. It's a bit tougher to plop an authentic Mayan temple down and have it be believable/as powerful theming/story-wise as IJA is in Adventureland. <<< >>>Exactly. TOT is a totally different situation because a luxurious hotel in Hollywood fits, an "authentic" jungle temple doesn't.<<< It would fit the time period...it would just need a new setting. They could do it, gents, they really could. I wish they would...
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<It would fit the time period...>> So you still think you're in 1939 when you're on the ToT...don't you? Haha
Originally Posted By leobloom >> It would fit the time period...it would just need a new setting. They could do it, gents, they really could. << Disney's Hollywood and South American Studios?
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer I would say "I give up"...but I don't give up, so let's press on... >>>So you still think you're in 1939 when you're on the ToT...don't you? Haha<<< The time that you are in ToT is ambivalent in both story and theme. Notice how the CMs act confused? >>Disney's Hollywood and South American Studios?<< Location notwithstanding, of course, Leo... *fluuuuuush*
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<The time that you are in ToT is ambivalent in both story and theme. >> No it's not, but whatever.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper If that's the case it does a pretty ****ty job of conveying it. I've never felt like I'm in any other time than the present on the ride.
