Originally Posted By WDW Imagineer Basically, I think what we're doing is fighting fire with fire. People nowadays seem to be attracted to these "Franchises" i.e. disney princesses, pirates, fairies, alice in wonderland. Disney has noticed that what the people want is to have the opportunity to interact with the characters they know in love in their world. I do believe, however, that we will see an increase in story-based attractions after the fantasyland expansion
Originally Posted By dshyates Well, if you're going to build an attraction/land based on a franchise. Why not use the most popular and lucritive franchise on the planet? Which is what Uni did with this Potter thing. One thing I do find odd and a bit refreshing is that they aren't going to have ANY of the canon characters walking around for photo ops. It really is just an environmental thing.
Originally Posted By WDW Imagineer something with, cough cough, new york city in orlando? cough cough just a rumor i've heard
Originally Posted By WDW Imagineer scratch that. What I believe will happen is something for more of an adult-based thing. I mean we have the land to expand.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Tokyo and Hong Kong send their best wishes....>> How many Spirits will actually visit those places? But your point is well taken. <<WDI doesn't have problems. Management telling them where and what to build is the problem.>> Not quite. WDI definitely has problems. Too many political/sexual/power cliques. Too many people with limited talent pushing tech over immersive 'old school' attractions. Too many people who never knew something a dime could buy that they couldn't spend $100 on. That type of stuff. But, yeah, ultimately WDI doesn't get to decide what's getting built. That power is the resort heads along with Rasulo and Staggs (and on the very big stuff, Iger).
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<The Grizzly Gulch coaster won't be a rethemed Everest. It will have some similarities (it will go backward, have menacing animal), but the story and layout will be different.>> What I get out of the art and talking to some folks is this will be a very orginal attraction that will basically combine elements of BTMRR, EE, GRR and comical AA type scenes that are very similar in style to things Marc Davis would have come with (think CBJ, WRE, etc). But overall, it's an original. And unlike Mermaid, it's an E-Ticket.
Originally Posted By WDW Imagineer <<Too many people with limited talent pushing tech over immersive 'old school' attractions>> amen
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Disney has noticed that what the people want is to have the opportunity to interact with the characters they know in love in their world. >> I think this is bull--%T. Disney wants to shove interactive tech down the throats of guests. It is pandering to a LCD demo who believe standing in a line for 20 minutes is akin to being held hostage by 'evildoers' ... the same type of folks who need to be texting or Twittering or talking or Facebooking the whole time they are at a Disney theme park. So, the whole idea is that Disney's parks have become passe because they are passive. This IS what The Weatherman and crew believes. That's why you have LCI ... that's why you have attractions like TSMM and Kim Possible ... you must be an ACTIVE participant in everything at WDW. They are fundamentally incorrect. Great attractions like PoC stand the test of time. Anyone think 40 years from now people will still want to color with Aurora?
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>> Not quite. WDI definitely has problems. Too many political/sexual/power cliques. Too many people with limited talent pushing tech over immersive 'old school' attractions. Too many people who never knew something a dime could buy that they couldn't spend $100 on. That type of stuff.<<<< Agreed. But, do you really think that if WDI was allowed to flourish and do what they (creatively) wanted, would we be discussing all these thematic issues?
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>>What I get out of the art and talking to some folks is this will be a very orginal attraction that will basically combine elements of BTMRR, EE, GRR and comical AA type scenes that are very similar in style to things Marc Davis would have come with (think CBJ, WRE, etc).<<<< We can only hope it'll be cloned in a more...lucerative? Location. Catch my drift?
Originally Posted By WDW Imagineer ^Imagineering is basically wearing a shock collar. I don't believe they're given the creative freedom they were given 10-20 years ago. Thats just my opinion
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<I seriously wonder if they'll do anything after the FLE. >> Did you read what The Weatherman told investors, analysts and media last week? That Disney was spending/investing an extraordinary amount of capital in the P&R division now (find the story online, too tired to do all your work for you!) with the DCA Extreme Makeover, HKDL expansion, two new cruise ships, DLP additions, Hawaii DVC and, yes, Fantasyland 'transformation' (as that's now the company line on what is happening ... it's amazing how much time and money is spent coming up with PR spin) ... and that by 2014 when most of the above is all finished, he expects things to drop back to a more 'normal' level with the exception of the new resort in Shanghai. You want to know what normal is? Look at the Decade of Decline at WDW. That's normal.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> We can only hope it'll be cloned in a more...lucerative? Location. Catch my drift? << Tokyo?
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>> They are fundamentally incorrect. Great attractions like PoC stand the test of time. Anyone think 40 years from now people will still want to color with Aurora?<<<< *nods* Good to see you posting.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer Spirit- Yeah, I read it. Depressing.. But honestly...I doubt what Mr. Weatherman Discounter says sometimes. Hopefully WWoHP changes things up.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Agreed. But, do you really think that if WDI was allowed to flourish and do what they (creatively) wanted, would we be discussing all these thematic issues?>> The world is full of IFs ... it's impossible to say. And while I normally enjoy speculating, these days I find it's wasted energy. A lot of bad ideas came out of WDI too. A lot of things that look way kewl in coffee table books (Westcot ... WRE ... Discovery Bay ... BK ... and old Eddie Sotto's beloved Sci-Fi City for TDL!) may have been unpopular if built. It's just hard to say. What isn't hard to say is what I keep repeating. UNI is clearly trying in O-Town ... Potter is the biggest, best attraction to come to the state since ... Spidey ... Disney hasn't raised the bar since ToT really ... although some might say DAK's KS's did too (and I could argue that) ... point is those were 1990s. What is Disney trying to do? Put one over on fanbois addicted to pixie dust.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<We can only hope it'll be cloned in a more...lucerative? Location. Catch my drift? >> I wouldn't count on it.
