Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>>A lot of things that look way kewl in coffee table books (Westcot ... WRE ... Discovery Bay ... BK ... and old Eddie Sotto's beloved Sci-Fi City for TDL!) may have been unpopular if built. It's just hard to say. What isn't hard to say is what I keep repeating. UNI is clearly trying in O-Town ... Potter is the biggest, best attraction to come to the state since ... Spidey ... Disney hasn't raised the bar since ToT really ... although some might say DAK's KS's did too (and I could argue that) ... point is those were 1990s. What is Disney trying to do? Put one over on fanbois addicted to pixie dust.<<< So....when do they do something right in WDW? What will make the change? Ordered my Coffee Table Book yesterday...
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<^Imagineering is basically wearing a shock collar. I don't believe they're given the creative freedom they were given 10-20 years ago. Thats just my opinion>> That's likely true to an extent. Blue sky type work isn't done like it once was. And the mandate is to push toons/franchises ... I really am anxious to see what Shanghai gets ... I picture more Disney and Pixar characters than anywhere along with Marvel characters (BLECH!!!) thrown in as well. It is practically a given that instead of a Tomorrowland/Discoverland concept, you'll see a Marvel Super Hero Land (think Disney's take on Super Hero Island at IOA with many of the same characters!) So ... if someone say had a great idea for say a thrill/adventure ride at DAK that didn't tie into anything, it would be next to impossible to get it built ... especially after EE.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 >>> They are fundamentally incorrect. Great attractions like PoC stand the test of time. Anyone think 40 years from now people will still want to color with Aurora?<<<< <<*nods* Good to see you posting. >> I am posting to wind down after the worst 36 hours of 2010 ... I went from planning a trip out to the premiere of World of Color to screaming into a phone that I wanted the individual on the other end to get ass cancer and die ... I don't want to place private info here as I value my privacy, but I've been the victim of a crime, a giant fraud that may take weeks (if it's months, I may be a Spirit) to solve and btw, have I mentioned to you how much I hate lawyers?
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Spirit- Yeah, I read it. Depressing..>. Post a link for the other LPers ... I didn't see it listed in the Latest, but again, I'm not all here right now. <<But honestly...I doubt what Mr. Weatherman Discounter says sometimes.>> Just sometimes? He lies more than Eisner ever did. He is actively shopping ABC around, but releases statements to the contrary. Even after Zenia Mucha's assistant was arrested by the FBI for trying to make money off that info. The discounting lie has been a running theme for 18 months. yet, I keep seeing national ads for free dining yet again from August-October. And hotel discounts right through the end of the year. <<Hopefully WWoHP changes things up. >> He's too arrogant to even notice it. If Eisner were still at Disney, he'd have already ridden the thing.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<^^You're a funny guy!>> I think you are the funniest guy around. When I think about you, I have an urge to head to the nearest restroom ... odd.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>> And the mandate is to push toons/franchises ... I really am anxious to see what Shanghai gets ... I picture more Disney and Pixar characters than anywhere along with Marvel characters (BLECH!!!) thrown in as well. It is practically a given that instead of a Tomorrowland/Discoverland concept, you'll see a Marvel Super Hero Land (think Disney's take on Super Hero Island at IOA with many of the same characters!)<<<< You know what I want to see? Them realize that "Disney Theme Parks" is a franchsise in itself. Don't they get how marketable that level of quality and that level of storytelling is? There is so much they could donwith originality...and yet they take the easy way out with the Pirates, Princesses and Pixies. PP&P.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>I am posting to wind down after the worst 36 hours of 2010 ... I went from planning a trip out to the premiere of World of Color to screaming into a phone that I wanted the individual on the other end to get ass cancer and die ... I don't want to place private info here as I value my privacy, but I've been the victim of a crime, a giant fraud that may take weeks (if it's months, I may be a Spirit) to solve and btw, have I mentioned to you how much I hate lawyers?<<< I'm sorry to hear that...it sounds serious. :-( Hope everything works out speedily and smoothly.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>He's too arrogant to even notice it. If Eisner were still at Disney, he'd have already ridden the thing.<<< And we'd have plans or something being built to counter it. Damnit, I miss Eisner. And I suddenly really want Iger out.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<So....when do they do something right in WDW? What will make the change?>> I really don't know. Things are improving, but they are still small-scale. I saw lots of great improvements at CSR and ASS resorts a few weeks ago. I saw some kewl (no, not Marvel) new merchandise lines. I think showing the Music, Magic, Mayhem pyro (even with substantial cuts) this summer is a plus. Adding new dining locales at EPCOT is a positive. And yes, the F-lan expansion is too. It's just none of that is significant really. It's small-scale. Does it make a WDW vacation better? I'd say so. But does it give people (not pixie dust addicted fanbois) a real new reason to visit? No. Not at all. And when you see WWoHP ... wow, just what a polar opposite in approaches. UNI=cutting edge immersive substance Disney=marketing nostalgia <<Ordered my Coffee Table Book yesterday...>> That's nice of you. My B-Day is still a month plus away!
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer Read, my LP friends, and be depressed. <a href="http://thedailydisney.com/blog/2010/06/exec-says-disney-might-cruise-to-asia-and-hawaii/" target="_blank">http://thedailydisney.com/blog...-hawaii/</a>
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>I think showing the Music, Magic, Mayhem pyro (even with substantial cuts)<<<< I've heard the opposite! All reports say the full amount of pyro is being used, and it's spectacular. Can't wait to see it in 9 days... >>>That's nice of you. My B-Day is still a month plus away! <<< Nice try...My BDay is at the end of THIS month. ;-)
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<I'm sorry to hear that...it sounds serious. :-( >> It is. Very. I'm actually glad I found out when I did as I was about an hour from buying my ticket to Anaheim. It is just a draining nightmare and I'm planning on hiding in bed for 10-11 hours very soon. <<Hope everything works out speedily and smoothly.>> I do too. Since what is going on is patently illegal, I have the law on my side (but who really follows the law in 21st century America?) ... I do believe things will be fine in the end, but if this drags on more than a week, it is going to cause major life issues.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer I gotcha there, S. At least you DO have the LAW on your side, and the only concern is time. Again, my best wishes....pop me an email if need be.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 >>>I think showing the Music, Magic, Mayhem pyro (even with substantial cuts)<<<< <<I've heard the opposite! All reports say the full amount of pyro is being used, and it's spectacular.>> Are your reports from MAGICal sources? Seriously, I have heard it has been chopped and I absolutely believe it. <<Can't wait to see it in 9 days...>> Won't your magical WDW vacation be ruined because Wishes won't be showing? I see you crying in the Hub, wearing your lanyard and clutching your Figgy plush in that concrete wasteland. >>>That's nice of you. My B-Day is still a month plus away! <<< <<Nice try...My BDay is at the end of THIS month. ;-)>> Oh, so you ordered two? You are a great kid!
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Are your reports from MAGICal sources? Seriously, I have heard it has been chopped and I absolutely believe it.<<< You think I still go over there? AS IF!!!!! /attempt to act my age >>>>Won't your magical WDW vacation be ruined because Wishes won't be showing? I see you crying in the Hub, wearing your lanyard and clutching your Figgy plush in that concrete wasteland.<<<< You forgot that I am wearing my D23 pins at the same time. In all seriousness...bring on MMM. Can not wait. Wishes needs a break. >>>>Oh, so you ordered two? You are a great kid! <<< I'll bring it to the next Doom and Gloom Meeting.
Originally Posted By Hista98 there is a Disney repertoire of films going back to the 20s, Universal is an eclective mix of whatever will sell surely? No Disney just did the same thing with Marvel! They bought something they did not create for the purpose of making money. It's what Univeral has been doing for years. I hope that Universal beats disney in attendance this year because it will teach disney to step it up more and they can't do what they've been doing recently. It will be a lesson they sorely need.
Originally Posted By dshyates Not only Marvel, but Indians Jones, The Muppets, Power Rangers, and Star Wars. And you could possibly put PIXAR into that catagory.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Not only Marvel, but Indians Jones, The Muppets, Power Rangers, and Star Wars. And you could possibly put PIXAR into that catagory.<<< Exactly. When you think about it, they are all great franchises, but, how do they fit into a "Magic Kingdom" is odd, to me. Of course, it works perfectly in DL, they've made sure of that, thematically, but the idea is odd. Pixar, however, does fit, Disney helped in the creation of the movies they launched. The rest? My initial reaction would be to put them not in DL/MK, but in a DHS park.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer In your head, sure... The only reason it fits, to me, is that the theming and quality is superb. Same with Star Tours. Ideally, and when you compare them to the rest of the park, they don't fit.
