Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<Ideally, and when you compare them to the rest of the park, they don't fit. >> Only to a crazy person do they not fit. And only to a crazy person would it be ideal to not have IJA in Disneyland and Adventureland.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>Only to a crazy person do they not fit. And only to a crazy person would it be ideal to not have IJA in Disneyland and Adventureland.<< OK, jt. Treating opinion as fact again? Seriously, though...It's DISNEYland. It's not "every story that will fit land". That's the only deterrent, to me. I don't see why we have to fit DL/MK with movies that have no original connection to Disney in the first place. If anything, these things should go in DHS. Keep DL/MK for some of our Disney movies, and for NEW/UNIQUE attractions. Kind of like what they did in the 70's. And 80's. Shame.
Originally Posted By HMButler79 This is why Iger is more dangerous that Eisner. Iger believed the whole Disney park experience from 1955-1995 is IRRELAVENT, because we were just passive observers. So now we get tech shoved up our behind to be ACTIVE ala Crush, MidayMania, KimPossible, Fantasyland "expansion, etc. Eisner still knew about immersive themed experiences.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<Seriously, though...It's DISNEYland. It's not "every story that will fit land". That's the only deterrent, to me. I don't see why we have to fit DL/MK with movies that have no original connection to Disney in the first place. >> Uhhh...because they're awesome. And Disneyland is supposed to offer the best possible entertainment along with the best possible stories. Which they are. To say they shuoldn't go in because Disney is infront of the name means they shouldn't go into any of the parks
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper Seriously EE...you're possibly the only person I've ever met who is against Indy and Star Wars in MK and Disneyland, haha.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Disney wants to shove interactive tech down the throats of guests. It is pandering to a LCD demo who believe standing in a line for 20 minutes is akin to being held hostage by 'evildoers' ... the same type of folks who need to be texting or Twittering or talking or Facebooking the whole time they are at a Disney theme park. So, the whole idea is that Disney's parks have become passe because they are passive. This IS what The Weatherman and crew believes. That's why you have LCI ... that's why you have attractions like TSMM and Kim Possible ... you must be an ACTIVE participant in everything at WDW. ----------- this is really a discussion on who makes up the demographics they want to target. IOA targeted teens and missed the mark... Disney has many things targeted to only tween girls- also not a huge demographic marketing wise for a theme park... ( Disney channel is a different issue) - I agree there are so many people these days with the attention span of a gnat... they have to be kept entertained 24x7 because they need to be plugeed in constantly to be stimulated. ( yes I realize the irony that I am working and yet typing on a Disney chat room )- I, and many others I know love WDW because we CAN unplug ! I brought my laptop once because I HAD to for work due to a critical project - and it ruined not only my vacation but that of my wife and much of the party I was with. I will cancel a trip before doing that again. When we go to the parks- we bring - max 2 -3 cellphones and just use them for communication if we separate into smaller parties. We have a strict rule on 'family time' so that the texting - surfing jut doesn't happen much. The kids with us ( aged 8 thru 25 ) are so glad to be there they give up what normally occupies so much of their time. I NEVER check email when there..if it is an emergency- whether work or home they can leave me a voicemail and I will respond at night. So all this interactive LCD stuff holds little interest for me. The screens in SPaceship Earth for instance though I see as a plus but only for the area of the ride where there is no theming near the end..before that part of the ride I pay no attention to them. The innoventions area of EPCOT is the place for this stuff- and I like that it is ther- but I do not need it in the rest of the parks... just my 2 cents
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Seriously EE...you're possibly the only person I've ever met who is against Indy and Star Wars in MK and Disneyland, haha. ------------------- well againt maybe popular thought _ I have to agree- but only to this extent. At MK in WDW they have another park- DHS expressly for things like Indy and SW and that is exactly where they belong, not in the MK- I agree with that whole heartedly. The Magic KIngdom to me should be expressly Disney properties - much focused on classics - and future classics... For DL however I have to give them the same break that Walt recognized. WDW is blessed with the bonus of size...DL is not. Unless they can bulldoze part of Anaheim and build a 3rd park-- you have to kinda ignore the intrusion of classic Disney fantasy.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>I agree there are so many people these days with the attention span of a gnat... they have to be kept entertained 24x7 because they need to be plugeed in constantly to be stimulated.<< I especially find it interesting that the young prefer to text as opposed to talk on the phone. Texting does allow one to conduct simulatenous conversations and to multitask as well. But sometimes I think we are over stimulated. Sometimes when I drive home I just turn off the radio and listen to the white noise around me. It reminds me of the old "Kung Fu" TV show episode where young Caine meets Master Po who reminds him to calm himself and listen. The old Master then hears a grasshaopper on the floor, which is followed by my favorite lines in the show: "Old man, how is that you can hear the grasshopper?" "Young man, how is it that you do not?" As to whether HP wil steal customers from Disney: On one hand if more people come to Orlando to see HP, ther eis little doubt they will visit the mouse. But... Will the average visitor spend less time at WDW? It depends on the mix I suppose. If Orlando traffic goes up 10% by the average WDW visitor spends 20% less time at WDW to visit UNI, then UNI could be a winner.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<At MK in WDW they have another park- DHS expressly for things like Indy and SW and that is exactly where they belong, not in the MK- I agree with that whole heartedly. The Magic KIngdom to me should be expressly Disney properties - much focused on classics - and future classics...>> I can't agree. Not at all. Indy (and Star Tours, but that's already over at DHS) fits perfectly, maybe better than perfectly in Adventureland. Putting it in DHS would take away a lot of what makes the ride special in DL.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 As to whether HP wil steal customers from Disney: On one hand if more people come to Orlando to see HP, ther eis little doubt they will visit the mouse. But... Will the average visitor spend less time at WDW? It depends on the mix I suppose. If Orlando traffic goes up 10% by the average WDW visitor spends 20% less time at WDW to visit UNI, then UNI could be a winner. -------------------- there is alsoone other factor. A lot of people may come to Orlando for the first time - or the first time in a long time and if that is true- especially international travellers- they likely will also visit WDW for the first time or first time in a long time. That may negate the one less day someone like me is spending in WDW this year
Originally Posted By WDW Imagineer <<I can't agree. Not at all. Indy (and Star Tours, but that's already over at DHS) fits perfectly, maybe better than perfectly in Adventureland. Putting it in DHS would take away a lot of what makes the ride special in DL.>> Think back 20 years ago to adventureland. What did you know it as? Tikkiroom and pirates. That seemed to be the atmosphere radiating from that land. I will agree, indy fits, but i think what people are concerned with is the land turning into a franchised land
Originally Posted By vbdad55 I can't agree. Not at all. Indy (and Star Tours, but that's already over at DHS) fits perfectly, maybe better than perfectly in Adventureland. Putting it in DHS would take away a lot of what makes the ride special in DL. --- it is a matter of perspective Hokie-- not in my version of Adventureland - which is a Jungle Cruise / Tiki Room / Tarzan's Treehouse world... It may be an age thing-- I likely was patrolling the grounds of DL before you were born...so my visions are likely much deeper ingrained. I respect your opinion and view-- but ask that you may want to consider there are others like me.. who would not view Star Wars stuff ( and I am a huge SW fan) - invading MK or DL. Yet I beliee it makes the DHS come alive and would love to see SWW every weekend- because it is about the movies and the movie world created.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<Think back 20 years ago to adventureland. What did you know it as? Tikkiroom and pirates. That seemed to be the atmosphere radiating from that land. I will agree, indy fits, but i think what people are concerned with is the land turning into a franchised land>> Well, I hate the new Pirates and the New Management of the Tiki room, and if I had my way both would be turned back into the originals. But there's a huge difference between the blunders that are POTC v 2 and UNM and the greatness that is IJA. <<it is a matter of perspective Hokie-- not in my version of Adventureland - which is a Jungle Cruise / Tiki Room / Tarzan's Treehouse world...>> See that's where I think IJA is so perfect. It blends into that world without having people scratch their heads as to why it's there. (Very much UNLIKE the new Tiki Room and things like MILF and SGE) <<I respect your opinion and view-- but ask that you may want to consider there are others like me.. who would not view Star Wars stuff ( and I am a huge SW fan) - invading MK or DL.>> Sure. But to say it "doesn't fit" is a stretch, IMO. <<Yet I beliee it makes the DHS come alive and would love to see SWW every weekend- because it is about the movies and the movie world created.>> Star Tours is great at DHS, and SWW is my favorite event at WDW, however I think moving the IJA there instead of Adventureland if it ever came to WDW(which it won't so the conversation is pointless, haha) would be a huge mistake. It would lose a lot of the ambiance it has over in DL.
Originally Posted By WDW Imagineer <<Well, I hate the new Pirates and the New Management of the Tiki room, and if I had my way both would be turned back into the originals. But there's a huge difference between the blunders that are POTC v 2 and UNM and the greatness that is IJA.>> Which is what i meant. I'm in agreement with you on new potc and unm, but i still believe people are worried of adventureland loosing its original ambiance. I mean, I know I am. It's kinda like the same thing going on at epcot. Think back to 1980's when epcot was fresh. You could feel the positive "promise of tomorrow" energy radiating from that park. Now though, i don't know. Well, its the same situation for places like disneyland. I believe as both dl and wdw continue to expand, that old ambiance found in many of the original lands will die, ija is just one example
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper ^^^I don't agree though. IJA does nothing to take away from the "Land of Adventure" vibe. If anything it strengthens it. And Disneyland doesn't have a problem with chracter overload. Only the MK does.
Originally Posted By WDW Imagineer but do you see where i'm going? Cause i'm not worried about it. It's the big picture that worries me. IJA isn't the problem
Originally Posted By WDW Imagineer Haha, it's tough to explain. I'm worried of the park being taken over by non-disney franchises. Not so much in MK, in fact, not at all really, but elsewhere in the disney parks. And you know we're going to see marvel in shanghai. Idk, its tough to describe over computer text. haha
